Warhammer Orc and Goblin Advance Orders

By tgn_admin
In Age of Sigmar
Feb 9th, 2011
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Games Workshop have added the first Warhammer Orc and Goblin products to their Advance Orders page.

Orcs & Goblins Arachnarok Spider

  • Wow – a hardbacked army book!

    Didn’t expect to see one of those but cool to see, love the look of this range too.

    The Nasty Skulkers and that spider… very nice. When I look at the Savage Orcs and the boar boys I immediately think of 40k Feral Orks and Snakebites possibilities.

  • tuco

    I’ve been away from WFB for a while. It’s probably been several years since I bought an army book, but that’s getting pretty close to $40 for just the army book. As a gamer who plays other mini games as well as a good deal of board games, the two twenty dollar bills that get mostly used up to buy the army book can get a lot of other stuff. The rulebook for Dystopian Wars is five bucks less, and that’s the whole rule system. I can think of several fun board games I could buy with that if I spent a little time looking online for good discounts. Unfortunately price points like that for an army book (and that’s before paying for the nearly $75 rulebook, and another $10+ for magic cards) are going to continue to keep me away from WFB. Too bad really, because I love the Warhammer world.

    On another note, that spider is amazing. I can see all kinds of uses for it since it’s plastic and easy to kit-bash. And assuming that those are goblins on its back and not snotlings, that thing is huge.

    • tuco

      Well, I’ll respond to my own comment here, and thanks to a thousand hats for pointing this out.

      Hardback does take a little of the sting out of paying that for an army book. But it doesn’t change much about the price when considering the opportunity costs within the gaming world.

  • The new kits look fantastic, and I must say the spider kit is far better than I imagined. The best part of all the GW plastic kits is the interchangeability of parts. I second Thousand Hats comments of the conversion potential for 40K Orks. There could be a couple of those converted spiders being played a battlewagons with my 40K Orks!

    • tredhed

      Heck…I am wondering that kind of Tyranid monstrocity could be made out of that thing πŸ˜‰

  • Zac

    The spider kit is darned nice. I’ll reserve comment on the hardcover until I can get it in my hands to check out the binding.

  • riftsinger

    you know i stopped playing gw games awhile back for the usual reasons but that is a dam fine kit .

  • PanzerKraken

    The price for the hardcover is not bad at all, it’s full colored and over 100 pages too. Of course it comes down to… do we really need fancy army books? It looks great, but at the same time I personally would prefer smaller cheaper army books instead of lugging around big hardcovers.

    Course people complained often about paying $20 for the flimsy black and white books that they were putting out in 3rd edition days so someone will always complain.

    • Zac

      Its not as if they get updated every few years so you’re going to have it for a long time.

      If they are bound the same way as the FFG Dark Heresy books then I’ll be happy.

      That said, the weight of my collection of 40K books is going to go through the roof if they start doing this with 40K codexs.

  • cybogoblin

    Going hardcover with the army books is a good idea, especially if they stay open when laid on a table. It does seem a bit silly to not offer a cheaper softcover version, however, especially for those of us that don’t want to spend NZ$75 on just the army book.

    As for the models, they look great, especially the Arachnarok. Even though it’s essentially a Stegadon with slightly different equipment options.

  • Ordok

    I’m thinking of buying those guys and replacing their heads with chaos warrior ones, to get some proper looking maruders πŸ™‚ I love the fact that those orcs don’t have problems with silly bent spines and hunched heads, they look good.

  • AKE

    I’m going to figure out a way to sub a dark elf dragon for that spider. What’s up those the boars though? The spider looks so great and the boar faces look so bad!

    • Zac

      The boars look better in the larger pictures.

  • Shades

    Instead of moving in the direction of hardbound army books, I think wargame publishers should go in the opposite direction. Produce rulebooks and army books that are roughly A5-size, spiral-bounds. That format is convenient to transport, consumes minimal table-space, and stays open to a page for in-play reference.

  • Tommygun

    Damn GW and their awesome models!
    They will be my ruin….

  • LaughingFerret

    Maybe my frame of reference is skewed since I’ve been playing minis games for 20 years, but it feels like I would be replacing army books too often to want to spend $40 on an army book, even if it is hardback. Granted, hardback should stand up to wear & tear better for lugging around to and from games.

    Not crazy about the savage orcs, maybe they’d look better if they weren’t painted with extreme highlight edging on their muscles. The boars I think would look fine if their faces weren’t painted so light.

    The spider is amazing. That could be the best model GW has made in a very long time. Would be great as a center piece for a forest goblin army.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if they’d release a plastic Squigoth kit?

  • Darsc Zacal

    I’ll echo everybody elses comments about the spider. Very nicely done.

    Not a fan of the Alfboars. Although the riders and the rest of the orcs look fine.

  • abbysdad

    Interesting comments about the book price and book value.

    I guess it’s in the eye of the beholder. For example, the Pulp City book costs roughly the same as the Orc & Gobbo book, is also hardbound, and I’ll assume both are full color although GW generally doesn’t do that, and I have no problem paying for the Pulp City guide. That’s true even though the Pulp City guide doesn’t have ANY of the rules for the specific minis, just for how to play the game. You have to buy the minis to get those.

    In the case of the WHFB, I would have a hard time paying 37$ for the book. Why? Because to play the game with Orcs & Gobbos you need the massive core rule book (MSRP 75$) AND the O&G book (37$) AND the minis. To revisit a point in an earlier post, ~110$ gets you a lot of Dystopian Wars and the rulebook! Still, GW is putting out these incredible miniature kits, and if you want to use the kits as intended in their game system, you need the rules. That’s a tough call for some people with money to burn on the hobby. It’s an easier call for a gamer with a restricted budget.

    I wonder if what’s happening here is the same thing the newspapers are struggling with? Do you erect a pay wall and charge your dedicated customers more money for what they want? Or, do you remove the barriers to becoming a dedicated customer and grow your market share? These guys seem to think it’s a really bad idea to put up pay walls:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/02/why-paywalls-are-bad-business.html

    I wonder what the gaming community will think about GW’s practices with rule book sales in the near and long term? Will the dedicated gamers keep buying the books? Will potential customers go towards other companies that have free rules (like Eden?) and ignore the big boys that don’t give away their rules for free as a PDF or e-Book? I don’t know.

    Zac, maybe that would be a good question to ask on a survey?

    • cybogoblin

      The difference with Pulp City is you can get both the rules and many of the stat cards for free on their site. Also, paying a little more for a main rulebook is much better than having to pay more for an army book. Especially if the army book comes with additional content that isn’t really necessary – like the rule book does.

    • Jens

      I do like the spiderkit!

      Anyhow concerning the pricing of the hard cover books: I don’t think it matters that much if your intrested in the game given that you’ll have to spend much more money on the miniatures (and possibly terrain) and have to spend many many many hours painting everything. If you’re happy with that kind of investment of time the additional extra price for higher quality hard cover books will likely not be the real issue (I’d prefer the higher quality product).

      In contrast a skirmish game is a totally different matter – they usually appeal to many people since you can usually get everything ready to play for the intended game size within a limited time. It’s a completly different kind of commitment.

      If I’d have a WHFB army painted and everything – I might not enjoy having to buy another army book and be somewhat annoyed about such price, but would a price differece between the old softcovers and the new hardcover versions be sufficient reason to rid myself of an army that likely costs a multitude and something I’d likely have spent several hundret hours painting on?

      Since most collectors of such large scale games would eventually buy the book in printed form anyhow I’d like to see at least pdf’s containing all the needed information for play and I assume this wouldn’t hurt their sales.

    • Zac

      Zac, maybe that would be a good question to ask on a survey?

      I am having a difficult time trying to figure out how to phrase something like that so its not biased one way or the other.

      Pay walls are probably not, IMO, a good example of what this is. GW is just trying to maximise their profits and paywalls are a deliberate attempt to try to stop people from accessing online content that was previously available for free.

      GW has never released their army books for free.

      I agree that GW should look at their army books as something other than a profit center but it is difficult for a public company to do so.

  • I think the thing with books and GW is that it’s a known fact that in a few years that book will be completely obsolete and worthless. There’s also the thing of every time a new army book comes out it’s bound to change the “optimal” builds for that army and suddenly 50% or more of the models you own could become completely worthless as well.

    • Zac

      I think the thing with books and GW is that it’s a known fact that in a few years that book will be completely obsolete and worthless

      The copyright date on the last Orc and Goblin book is 2000. So 11 years is a bit more than “a few”

      Besides, the common complaint of GW is that they take so long to update army book.

      • cybogoblin

        The copyright date on the last Orc and Goblin book is 2000. So 11 years is a bit more than β€œa few”

        Actually, the most recent Orc and Goblin book was released in 2006, making it the oldest of the 7th Ed books.

        • Zac

          I thought that was a long time even for GW. πŸ™‚

          Five years is still a good return on a book purchase. I think that no-one is ever really worried about GW making their codex or army book invalid any time too soon

  • cybogoblin

    It certainly is a decent amount of time. It still seems a little odd that they’d release a book that came out in 7th Ed before redoing some of the ones that have been around since 6th Ed, and much, much longer than the latest O&G book.

    C’est la vie, I suppose.

    • Veritas

      That’s normal for GW. They have certain armies that, at least from my perspective, seem more important to them and get more frequent updates. O&G, Empire, and High Elves are the three biggies in Fantasy in my opinion. In Fantasy it’s not so noticeable as with Space Marines in 40K, but it’s still there.