Soda Pop Minatures sent along this guide for putting together Super Dungeon Explore in response to the questions about how everything should go together. Grab the full size version by clicking through to the link!
So why was this not included from the start. All the bad feed back is that the parts are tiny
and no insructions are included in the box to help with assembling them. So who at soda pop missed the boat with this. Other than that all comments on the game have been good.
Short answer is, it was an oversight. Mistakes are made and we are working to correct it. If I understand correctly future runs of the product will include this sheet. 🙂
Because, frankly, Soda Pop is a miniatures company, and miniatures pretty much never come with instructions, regardless of how complicated they are. I don’t think it was until a large outcry from boardgamers with no miniature experience, that this was deemed necessary.
This game is branching into new territory. Sure, there are boardgames with minis already…but boardgames with such a focus on the minis, while still being marketed to a more mainstream crowd, are rare. I don’t consider Descent, or the new D&D boardgames to fit in that category, because they use lower quality minis, much like the D&D pre-painted range.
GW has included instructions for their boxed set stuff for years now, Privateer is now doing so now as well. Given people on this boards penchant for utter precision in every statement made, just had to point that out.
IMO A tile based dungeon crawl game is a tile based dungeon crawl game regardless of what minis come with it. I guess if your a minis collector you could buy the game and throw the rules away and just paint the minis up for display? But unless that is your plan what good is this game … beyond using it as a dungeon crawl boardgame?
As far as “lower quality” miniatures I’d put some of the stuff in the D&D and Descent board games up against much of what is on the market from the so called true miniature companies. I actually own them and have painted some of them up decently, go online and look at some that are based and painted … they aren’t half bad actually for what they are. On par with much of the GW and Reaper range … of course they don’t compare to the upper end of what is on the market, but as you say they are a mass market board game product not a mini game product.
here have been other attempts by mini game companies to do board games like Puppet Wars, Hybrid, Space Hulk, dust tactics and probably dozens of others over the years. Every game company has its fanboys though who will declair everything said company does as innovative genius. I was a GW fanboy for years and during that time those guys could do no wrong.
Soda Pop is doing something cool and a little different, but this isn’t lightning in a bottle either … its just a slight variation on something that has been done before. Based on aesthetic preference people now have another choice, its still just a board game mini game RPG game mash up where your minis are stuck on a grid … Soda Pop is presumably hoping to tap into the mass market with it and on that front I think its reasonable to expect them to include instructions in the box. They are correcting the error though so kudos to them, I’m sure future printings of the boxed set will probably have these in the box as well.
I didn’t know you had to put together all these figs, it kind of turn off for me. I dunno I just got so much crap to already put together and part of board games I like is ease of prep and set up.
I just dry fit all the minis in the box in under ten minutes. I expect about an hour cleaning (keep in mind I can be a little neurotic with mold lines) and 30 minutes, tops of gluing. It is all easy model work too–nothing difficult like a lot of the tabletop minis I am used to.
You get out of the game what you put into it. If you just want to play than you slap the miniatures together. But if you want to become sucked into the game and enjoy the entire experiance you will sit down paint your miniatures and have something to show for your effort.
From what I’ve heard about the quality of the resin, they should have stuck with metal. Or just gone completely game piece plastic. Going by what a friend says, but I was surprised to hear the game wasn’t just done with simple plastic pieces and miniatures as an alternative.
The plastics used are sturdy, bubble-free and I am quite happy with the material.
“From what I’ve heard about the quality of the resin, they should have stuck with metal.”
I honestly think it is just a VERY vocal minority of people complaining about this game. The quality of components, as well as the assembly required, aren’t nearly as bad as everyone that is complaining is trying to make them out to be. I think those people are just upset because they are boardgamers used to having cheap, single-part models ready to use…and are unpleasantly surprised that the game will require a bit of work before it’s ultimately ready to go. It’s nothing that a miniatures gamer should be surprised by….and Soda Pop is a miniature gaming company….not a boardgame company.
Could be. I mean, frankly, if you put enough work into anything, you can make it just fine. But you may be right in the sense that if people see a box format tile game, they immediately think board game. What I am wondering is if they are miniatures, if there was a point to not going with metal. Or a higher quality resin if it is true that the resin is not as good as it could be.
Ok, I admit when I am wrong–this set took me 2.5 hrs to clean and assemble. It is just a LOT of minis…
Still, nothing hard at all–this is elementary stuff for even the beginning modeler.
Let me ask, how did you find the casts? Lots of mold lines? Not so many? Good fit and all that? Just curious.
Very easy fits and joins–big tabs slide easily and snugly, for the most part. There were some small gaps, but I only felt the need to fill two. Good casting, on this end.
The sculpts are what they are, and one is either going to dig it or not. I think back to the first series of Batman the Animated Series–not so much detail but great use of negative space to create big blocks of color. The SDE poses and sculpt work are excellent, imo.
My only gripe is mold lines. Most are small, but they are prevalent (one even goes across a hero’s face–yuk). I took the time to go through and take care of them, which by far took the bulk of my prep time for these models. The actual gluing, however, goes fast and easy, with no ‘fiddly’ parts.
Pretty much my experience too, although I had some horrible mold lines and I’m going to need to spend some time with some boiling water soon.
I do wish the counters were better centered, though. Mine are quite offset.
Put the whole lot together in about 40 minutes without the plans. Great minis and a great game.
My copy of SDE showed up this weekend. I have to agree with most of the reasonable posts out there. This game is amazing. The quality of the plastics is great, assembly was very easy, and each piece is uniquely keyed so even without the instructions it was not hard to put them together. Remember the pre-school game where you put the wooden blocks into the appropriate whole, if you STILL struggle at getting all the blocks to fit you may want to steer away from this game it might not be developmentally appropriate for you.
If you are a perfectionist like me and come from the miniature world and are going to go on to file, prime and paint your mini’s to display level quality, you will be happy to know that it was an easy task with a jewelers file to clean them up. That being said if you do not have a lot of miniature experience and are worried you don’t have the experience to clean them up rest assured if you are only armed with a bottle of super glue your assembled game pieces will still look better than almost any board game you have ever purchased. It is very noticeable that these game pieces did not come from the board game world; they came from the world of miniature games that is filled with high quality plastics, metals and resins.
Seeing the instruction sheet here actually makes me want it more. I enjoy putting together models, and it shows just how intricate and dynamic they are. I’m a miniatures guy, not a board-gamer, at heart so this appeals to me.