Games Workshop has their new Space Marine releases available to pre-order from their webshop.
Cue anti-GW comments in three…two…one…
They are pretty silly. They should be titled Immobile Suits.
I’d take a cue from say Appleseed and their Landmates, but that’s pretty much what Infinity did and it would be out of style for GW to have stuff that looks practical…
Let me start! No really, I like GW. I have High Elf and Ogre armies for FB and Space Marine and Elysians (totally unassembled) armies for 40K. I AM PRO GW. That being said, these puffed up Space Marines are soooooooo silly looking. I think GW desperately wanted a big model for the SMs and this is the best they could do with the fluff in mind. Ugh.
Those are just absurd.
Even in the Grim Future, there are laws of physics. Wherever someone gets into one of those suits, that’s where they’re staying.
I’ll hold off on evaluating them until I can see some in person. GW’s photography techniques have gotten worse over the years, not better, as you’d think. I don’t trust that they’ve taken the best shots they could have of anything they produce these days.
I like the concept, but these figures are ridiculous. No matter the shot, they can’t walk or touch their noses. Police would get them all to jail XD
I miss the whole gothic thing they used to have going on. It’s like with the Thunderhawk Gunship — old flying monastery versus new Ridley Scott dropship. These guys need some flying buttresses or something. I assume John Blanche isn’t the Art Director anymore.
Maybe they’re saving all of the Blanche-inspired sculpts for the rumoured Inquistor skirmish game.
Also, they did release a gothic vehicle for the Dark Angels – but everyone hated that 😉
Whoa, whoa, whoa. “Inquisitor skirmish game”? As a guy who thinks that Necromunda and Mordheim were the funnest games that GW ever produced you got my attention. Where did you see these rumors?
Here’s hoping it’s not in 54mm scale.
Where have you been, tuco, these rumors have all but been confirmed. They speak of a 28mm skirmish game as a regular product. We’ll see. I think I speak for the masses when I say I just want to see more Dreadfleet.
Blanche was the director for print art, but Goodwin is the director for sculpts if I remember correctly.
$58USD for the codex is getting ridiculous. I paid a dollar more for the Star Wars RPG from Fantasy Flight, and it’s more than twice the size with full color art on every page. Plus, more than half the book is actual rules. And FFG had to pay for the licensing to Lucasfilm.
When GW was selling their codexes and army books for $20-$30, I was buying every one from both systems that came out. Now that they’re up to $50 a pop I haven’t bought one since the Chaos Space Marines and I felt like I’d been ripped off due to the amount book I was getting. So GW has gone from getting somewhere around $100-200 a year from me for their books to $50 in the last year. I’m in the 30-40 year old gainfully employed demographic and they have priced me out. And I can’t tell from the descriptions, but are the chapter-specific rules going to be in this codex or will they be published separately as with the Iyanden supplemental codex? I.e. would I have to spend another $50 on top of this if I wanted to run Salamanders or White Scars, or Imperial Fists, etc.?
I dig their universe, and while some of the new stuff is starting to look overly cartoony, I can’t deny that their plastics are the best in the industry from the point of ease to work with/kit bash. Sadly, I think I may be done buying anything new from GW.
And this doesn’t even really address the cost of the miniatures at this point. Starting this game looks to be a very daunting proposition these days from a monetary stand-point. I can’t imagine a 13 year old kid (my age when I bought the big, awesome hardback rulebooks for Warhammer and Rogue Trader in late ’87) who wants to play, say, a Crimson Fists army coming up with $58 for the SM codex and then another either $50 or $75 for the rulebook depending on what version they want (or heaven forbid the $100 Dark Vengeance box). The kid would have to come up with $108-133 just for the freaking rules? And that’s assuming they won’t have to pick up a supplemental codex for the Imperial Fists and their successor chapters. If that is the case then it jumps to $158-183. And you haven’t even bought a single model yet. Crazy.
I agree with pretty much everything here.
Miniatures companies are also a lot different these days. Most games these days either use free rules (Infinity, Kings of War, Malifaux), that you supplement with models that come with the stats for them. Or cheaper rulebooks that are all inclusive (Warmachine).
Not a fan of GW. I did one of those “This price increase is outrageous, I’ll never buy another model again”, and have stuck to it. But looking at the prices for the new space marine models is undeniably high.
Malifaux rules aren’t free. The new rulebook is $40…
And it doesn’t have a single picture of a miniature in it. Which I find really odd for a miniature company.
and it’s not even a full rule book! It’s half the rules as the second half are about to go into Beta testing!
Good point, though I would point out that Infinity is free, full stop. You don’t need to buy specific models to get their rules,
Infinity’s pretty much the only high profile game that has free rules. I mean many small companies give out free rules to sell their minis, but most are just basic things to help sell, and/or simple skirmish games.
Kings of War though is a mass battles game, but again it’s generally accepted that they are really not a fully featured game system like WFB or 40k (regardless of what faults they have).
Absolutely agree. Factor in the price increase on troops and it is just not feasible. I’m a grown man in my 30s and gainfully employed as well. I have responsibilities and wants that preclude spending hundreds each year on a single game. Even my gaming wants edge out GW. When I’m allocating my toy budget, I can put $50 down and get the latest SAGA supplement and a unit of 12 metal Perry Brothers archers to augment my Normans and still have $10 left over to pay for shipping.
That $50 doesn’t buy a single rulebook for 40K. Or a ten man squad of space marines , should the new boxing come to pass. As someone who used to tool up his 40K armies to 11, this is frustrating. I have gone from spending $1,000 or more in a year to having spent about 3 euro on a paint pot last year.
I’m not saying I won’t pay for good games. SAGA is a $40 pamphlet, but it was exhaustively play-tested and the result is a brilliant game. When it comes to rules, more is not more. 40K is wildly bloated and just exhausting to read.
What are these even for? They seem like the are in-between terminators and dreadnoughts in size/armour. Are they supposed to be like the equivalent of chaos obliterators? Is there something that these suits excel at that you couldn’t already have done with terminators, devastators, the myriad of SM tanks or dreadnoughts?
Charge almost $80 for three minis as far as I can tell.
The $80 for 3 units used to be dreadnoughts.
These things are hideous. That’s all.
To give you all an idea of how prices have changed, Games Workshop’s “Book of the Astronomicon” was published in 1988 and included advertising with prices in British Sterling. The GBP was pretty strong back then and conversion rates varied, but I’m going to use the January 4th, 1988 rate of 1.87 GBP (rounded to the second decimal figure). For example, a box of 30 plastic “beakie” space marines would translate from 9.99 GBP to $18.68 — so, probably $19.99 at an American retailer.
Of course, that isn’t an accurate comparison to today’s purchasing power, so I will then run each figure through the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator to turn 1988 money into 2013 money. The box of 30 SM therefore comes out to $36.89 in today’s money, or $1.23 per figure. An equivalent number of modern day tactical marines from GW would be $120, or $4 each.
The following listing includes both the 1988 GBP price and its equivalent in today’s dollar and the occasional comparison to today’s models:
Individual Lead Space Marines: .75 GBP = $2.76
3 Pack Lead Space Marines: 2.50 GBP = $9.24
1 Lead SM Dreadnought: 3.50 GBP = $12.93 (vs. $46.25 for 2013 plastic)
17 Lead Orks (boxed set): 9.99 GBP = $36.89
4 Lead Orks: 2.50 GBP = $9.24
Lead Ork Killa Kan: 3.50 GBP = $12.93 (vs. $15.42 each for 2013 plastics)
Lead Ork Dreadnought: 6.00 GBP = $22.16 (vs. $49.50 for 2013 plastic)
5 Lead Mercenaries (asst. humans and squat): 2.50 GBP = $9.24
5 Lead Eldar: 2.50 GBP = $9.24 (vs. $36.25 for 10 plastic w/ weapon platform)
Mole Mortar, Tarantula, and SM Land Speeder (all lead): 9.99 GBP = $36.89
Obviously, sculpt quality, scale, and materials vary between then and now, and I can’t take into account variances in manufacturing costs, etc. Also, you can pretty much assume some rounding up on the 1988 dollar prices that I didn’t account for.
In late 1987 I purchased at a local specialty toy/game store box of skeletons from GW to complement my new copy of the Warhammer rules. I spent $20 and here’s what I got:
1 Skeleton Chariot
10 Skeleton cavalry
30 Skeleton foot which could be assembled as either archers, sword and shield, or spears.
I believe the box was labeled “Skeleton Horde” or something like that. The minis weren’t much different that what they have today in terms of quality. The material was different and the scale seemed a bit more realistic, but other than that from what I remember they weren’t terribly different.
Oh man, I remember that box well. Especially the artwork.
Yup. That’s the one.
Falls into the category of stuff that I still kick myself for not buying back in the day. Y’know, that and like two dozen copies of Hero Quest.
Luckily my one copy of HeroQuest is missing only one miniature. Unfortunately all the others look like some half-wit teenager painted them in the late-80’s with Testors acrylic paint.
I have to reconstruct all of my orks, having “converted” them when I first got Rogue Trader.