Leviathans development update

By tgn_admin
In News
Jan 25th, 2011

The Leviathans blog has a new post with an update on the progress of the Victorian Sci-fi combat game from Catalyst Game Labs.

  • I was concerned that this was never going to happen. I’ve been looking forward to it since I demoed it at GenCon last year. Glad to hear it’s still moving forward.

  • Lord Abaddon of Wormwood

    I’m wondering how much of their market has been taken by Spartan.

    I do hope that this finds traction in the market.

    Lord Abaddon of Wormwood

    • PanzerKraken

      The games are very different, outside of the steampunk like setting, they are nothing alike.

      • Grim6

        They are both involve super science capital ship style combat, right?

        I agree with Wormwood. I was interested in this game a while ago, but now I’m painting Dystopian Wars minis. Time and money are limited resources, and there is something to be said for first mover advantage. It is amazing that Spartan kept DW under such tight wraps and then sprung it on us relatively quickly, while Leviathan has been looking like vaporware for a while.

        That said, I will still check it out (most likely) when (if?) it comes out. But because of DW, it won’t be as high a priority…

        • Zac

          That is a different argument though. šŸ™‚ Time is the deciding factor and it might be an issue regardless of the game that you

          > It is amazing that Spartan kept DW under such tight wraps

          Spartan isn’t known for their publicity šŸ™‚

        • PanzerKraken

          Setting has some similarities, but that is all.

          DW is more of a total wargame that focuses on multiple fronts and large scale combat. Uses largely abstract game mechanics same as the rest of Spartans games with simple D6 dice pool mechanics.

          Leviathans is a naval wargame with focus on smaller and more detailed strategic battles akin to stuff like Battletech detailed combat.

          Leviathans is still in the works, but Catalyst underwent some problems that forced them to put the project on hold along with other stuff they had been up to. Spartan got lucky in this it seems of course since people are already jumping the gun with assumptions.

    • Zac

      > Iā€™m wondering how much of their market has been taken by Spartan.

      Not sure but I suspect not a lot. Leviathans is a more detailed strategic game.

  • Nosaj Verush

    Still though, I feel like if you’ve bought into DW, are you really going to want to buy into another small scale, Victorian, mini game? Probably not. I have not bought into DW yet bc I want to see what L is like, but my patience is running out.

  • blackfang

    Man, if you averaged out the complexity between Leviathans and Dystopian Wars you’d get a game that was just right for me.

  • Nemesis

    Can anybody sum up the differences between the two games?

    • Zac

      I suspect that DW uses the same D6 system that the rest of the games does. It involves air, sea and land combat and units in the game degrade based on the damage they take and the critical effects that are on them. There are only very basic firing arcs and not a lot of weapon differentiation or ranges.

      DW’s system is simpler and has less options in it.

      Leviathans is hex based and only has air combat. The ships are more detailed and the game has more firing arcs and systems in the ships. Damage is based on location (some aspects of the ship are better armoured) and the weapons have different firing abilities and ranges. Ships can lose weapons and systems and this affects their ability to perform. You also want to try to maneuver to get your best weapons on the enemies ships at their weakest points.

      Leviathans is a more strategic game with fewer models on the table. Those models have more detailed systems. DW is a simpler game with more models on the table.

  • fiendil

    I’m curious if the in-development Bioshock game (featuring a steampunk airborne city) has been inspired by either of these two, or if it was inspired by one of these two. Not accusing anyone of anything, just curious.

    • fiendil

      Oh, and I’d also wonder if there would be any possibility of a tie in between one of these game systems and Bioshock 3, but Bioshock will measure their profits in the millions, and these will be much much smaller fish…