Wrath of Kings posts production test shots

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Aug 16th, 2013
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Wrath of Kings Kickstarter has posted images of the near final production models, a selection reproduced here.  For full details hit up the update page here: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/wrath-of-kings/posts/571869

  • Gallahad

    Aargh. I had almost talked myself out of this one based on the plastic, but those look fantastic for production runs.

    • The verdict is till out for me. I want to see an independent review, but that seems unlikely before the ks is over. I am all over some of the figures, but I’m in the “want nice figures to paint” camp and I am just not convinced that they have done any significant improvement on the material. It would be nice if they did a proper video that purely handles the issues with the material. AFAIK there is no way that you can file PVC and if I am not mistaken that is one of the components in this plastic blend. I am used to building large scale pvc kits, but that’s an entirely different beast. There are no moldlines, only excess plastic that you trim away after heating the piece with a blow dryer. Best glue to use is 2-part epoxy and that is overkill on 30mm. Hmm… Now I have to give the blow dry technique a go with the Sedition Wars figs, didn’t think to try that before.

      • Gallahad

        I found one blog where a person used some sort of glue for pvc to soften the Sedition Wars plastic a bit, and then trim the moldlines. I wonder if heating this up in hot water and then trimming the moldlines with a sharp knife would work? I may have to try that with my Mantic stuff. Although it sounds like the blow dryer might work better since they wouldn’t be wet. I’m just not sure I can pass up those pig men and Wolfen.

      • mathieu

        I want to see an independent review, but that seems unlikely before the ks is over.

        Same here. In addition to the pictures being far too small to be really that revealing of anything, these are production models selected by the manufacturer rather than randomly picked in a sealed box at the LGS.

        Besides CMoN is missing the point entirely. Nobody doubts that their plastic can reproduce details reasonably well since others do it already. It is the workability of the plastic that is criticized and if it is as bad as e.g. PP’s, no matter how accurate the detail reproduction is it will be painful to clean and prep the models.

        There’s an easy solution: CMoN could send a random trooper model to whoever requests one, the same way Mantic did a few years ago with their ghouls. If the plastic is as good as they claim, that shouldn’t be a problem. This way we all get to experience first hand the material, neutral reviews can happen now instead of in a year when the product finally comes out (and it’s too late to back out of it), and CMoN can hopefully stop freaking out at their now stalled project.

        • Exactly that! Actually CMON should send a mini or two your way – I’d trust your take on it mathieu :), and I am more than willing to review the material and post pictures if CMON is willing.

    • KelRiever

      Production runs mean nothing to me when you hand pick figures. Not that they are about painting, but look at the difference between what WizKids shows on its webside and what you pull out of a box and you’ll understand.

      What you have to decide is, since it is a kick starter and you don’t get to find out for a year (or whenever) what you’ll actually get, is it worth the risk? And if the answer is yes, go for it.

      • mathieu

        Production runs mean nothing to me when you hand pick figures.

        Not only that, but according to their post on the KS, they are not only “production test” models, but also “pretty much the final material”, and they were cleaned up, even if minimally.

        So essentially not production models at all…

      • TheDude

        I’ve been lurking for a bit, but this comment seems incredibly dismissive. So, I guess they shouldn’t have posted the shots at all then? I mean, why bother if it “means nothing”, and the only photos worth anything would be photos from a final production run? Can’t you say that about EVERY SINGLE KICKSTARTER? Repeating it over and over on every piece of Kickstarter news is just well disguised trolling.

        • KelRiever

          I think you are overreacting. Nobody said they shouldn’t post the pictures. The point was you have to look at the picture and use the other information given to know your product. A different material is a lot more closer to what you see when it is produced. The plastic WoK is using, isn’t.

          Like I said, you still have to weigh the risk and some people will think it is fine. The first comment though was about how fantastic they look. Point is, when it comes to this plastic, a fantastic looking production test shot has to be weighed against the possibly very different outcome of product. Moreso than if the product was made out of something else.

          And, again as an example, WizKids, posts ideal shots for its miniatures. They generate excitement for those who like their games. These may for those backing the Kickstarter too. Just a word to the wise that what you see isn’t necessarily what you get here, and if that’s fine with the backer, then good…it should be.

        • Ghool

          People are criticizing the material because we all know it intimately.
          The fact still remains that the production shots don’t match up to what we all know, and have experienced.

          It’s not trolling to ask for some independent reviews before making a final decision to put money behind the product if we go on only what has previously come before it.

        • mathieu

          Besides pointing out what gamers actually dislike about the cheap material they chose might be useful to CMoN.

          Unless they think it’s perfectly fine that their KS has all but stalled after the excitement of day one, despite a week of it being the only recent news item on TGN + heavy advertising on the TGN main page, a lot of built up buzz and excitement for months, and a craving many of us have for all things even remotely Confrontation-related.

        • The concerns here are completely legitimate and instead of actually responding to them, CMoN are doing a spin on the issue by interviewing demo people and asking them leading questions about the quality of their production models (that are cleaned and prepped). Give a raw model to a hobbyist and have them clean it up. Given the reluctance to address this issue means it IS an issue. Telling us it’s like handling something between metal and plastic goes against everyones experience with the material. Either they have reached alchemic excellence or it’s very exaggerated.

          It would be in CMoN’s best interest to put some weight behind the statement, because if it’s like they say – they stand everything to win. They would be the first and only company that would have this edge of awesome material whilst offering figures to a very affordable price.

          @ TheDude, either you are trolling or you are oblivious to the facts.

  • joshuar56

    I got to check the minis out at GenCon. CMoN keeps saying they are using the highest quality polyvinyl they can, but it still seemed identical to the stuff PP is using. All the minis they let people check out were cleaned already, so you couldn’t get an idea of how bad mold lines will be. Which was a little suspect to me. But it definitely seems you won’t be able to sand/file the polyvinyl part of the minis just like PP’s. So if you don’t like PP’s plastics, you wont like these. The sculpts themselves are really nice however. But they’re not more detailed then say a resin mini.

    • joshuar56

      Not as detailed as a resin mini, is what I meant to say.