Privateer Press announces new Khador releases

By TGN Ross
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Apr 10th, 2012
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Privateer Press announces two new releases for Khador. Conquest, the Khador Colossal and Vladimir Tzepesci, Great Prince of Umbrey.

From their site:

Vladimir Tzepesci, Great Prince of Umbrey

Reclaiming his long-denied birthright, Great Prince Vladimir Tzepesci rides his warhorse Vsada into battle to defend the lands of Umbrey restored to his family. He wields weapons of the ancient Tzepesci horselords, carrying a spear in one hand and the mace Huntsman in the other. Should strength of arms alone prove insufficient, Vladimir lashes out with dark sorceries, the blood of kings that runs in his veins lending him the strength to secure victory.

Conquest

The Conquest is a walking mountain of steel bristling with some of the most powerful weapons ever used on the battlefields of the Iron Kingdoms. The deafening roar of the colossalโ€™s steam-fed engine is punctuated by the staggering percussion of its devastating guns, which unleash a punishing barrage of shells able to reduce warjacks to slag and annihilate entire enemy formations. Deployed to the front lines, the Conquest brings unrivaled firepower to Khadoran battlegroups.

  • tuco

    So, the new casters are called Epic, even though there are already other versions of them that are Epic? Huh. I was kind of thinking that they would be, um, more epicer?

    • metalsifter

      His title is “Great Prince” now. PP denotes the different levels of Epic Warcasters with their titles.

    • admanb

      “Epic” is a meaningless title in Mk2, so there’s really no reason for them to add a new one.

  • blkdymnd

    Wow $135 for the colossus, they just keep setting precedents on excessive pricing

    • That puts its Distro price at around $54, I could easily believe there is $54 worth of materials, packaging, and labor involved in casting one of these.

      • corsair117

        don’t feed the troll…

        • blkdymnd

          Im a troll for questioning a price huh? Whatever. I feel they have steadily decreased value for their gamers over the last 5 or so years. Smaller companies put out some better product for cheaper, I think they owe their gamers better value overall.

          • metalsifter

            Let me tell you a story ’bout a company named Games Workshop…..

          • blkdymnd

            I know that story well, and I hate that PP is creeping towards that status.

          • metalsifter

            PP is nowhere near that status.

            With the larger GW models you can only use them in Apocalypse-sized games and they aren’t allowed in tournament play either (at least none I know of).

            PP models are all useable at any time. That has value.

          • Absolutionis

            I’d rather have an decently-priced OPTIONAL GW model that I can buy just for fun rather than an overcosted PP model that I must buy to remain competitive.

          • People had the same fears with battle engines. I don’t see them as being an auto include and if I went with PP’s track record I don’t see these being auto includes as well.

          • Absolutionis

            Auto-include or not, it’s still something that can be used in normal games. I don’t expect a surprise Stompa or Baneblade or Titan in my 40k games.

            You look at the past and say PP won’t make these things very good. I look at the company they want to be and see PP eventually making playable Colossals that you need in order to remain competitive.

            GW constantly obsoletes popular units and pushes new units to drive sales. How is PP any different?

          • Unless you have some inside knowledge to those currently forging the direction of PP I really don’t understand how you can see where the company they want to be. I can only logically assume where they are going based on they have done.

          • corsair117

            “Wow $135 for the colossus, they just keep setting precedents on excessive pricing”

            That’s trolling, it’s some idiot little one liner from some dude with a serious chip on his shoulder.

            And they “owe” you nothing, they are a business plain and simple. If people don’t like what they offer they will stop buying and they will be forced to either change their practices or shut down, your opinion on what’s better has no bearing whatsoever.

            If you don’t like the product don’t buy it, why you feel the need to interject stupid little comments on these posts about companies you don’t like is beyond me. get the hell over it dude.

          • blkdymnd

            Never said I didn’t like them. I respect what they do as a gaming company, they are just trending their prices badly. I’m allowed to my opinion, even by someone like you that has to resort to namecalling to get their point across. I apologize for having an opinion that goes against the fanboy norm (and I didn’t see you calling mathieu a troll below for expressing similar concerns). I will leave you now to your regularly scheduled fanboy praise.

  • Conquest looks like the same size as a Knight Titan from 40k should be. The kit looks cool. I don’t see an issue with the price or the quality of the kit.

  • keltheos

    The bigger GW kits (as a point of reference) like the Stompa and Baneblade are about $90. They’re hollow cast, not resin like these probably are, so a bump in price is expected.

    We’ll see what the market will bear with these prices. If they still sell, then they priced them right. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Very true. Plus GW produces way more than PP so their costs per model are drastically reduced. A couple of weeks ago a saw a video on GW’s operations and I was amazed how large their facilities are. I’ve been to Privateer’s HQ in Washington and they production facilities are nowhere near that large. I guestimate PP probably employs less than 100 people while GW probably employs thousands. Also from what I understand their resin models are made by hand not by machine like GW’s Stompas.

      • mathieu

        PP’s resin kits are made in China, so the size of their US production facilities has no bearing on the price of this thing. And as per the first Colossals video as well as the recent Kraken one, at least some of the PP resin kits are digitally sculpted as well.

        As per the cost per model, there are smaller businesses (black ball for example) that sell high quality resin kits at least as large as PP models at half the price. The tag has more to do with how much PP (or GW) evaluates their dedicated fanbase will agree to spend than with how much it actually costs.

        n’t produced in their production facilities, so the size of what you saw isn’t really

        • Tamwulf

          Actually, only the plastic kits are made in China. The Colossals are a hybrid Metal and Resin kit, entirely made at the Privateer Press HQ in Bellevue, Wa.

          As soon as Black Ball has more then 3 part time employes- paid employees who work at a proper office and not out of one of the guy’s garage, and as soon as they can produce more then 1-2 resin models per day at a time, I will take them seriously. Black Ball isn’t even in the same League. They are like AAAAAAAAA League. When you are that small, you can make stuff that cheap and high quality.

          Let’s see where Black Ball is in another 10 years before making this kind of comparison.

          • mathieu

            Actually, only the plastic kits are made in China.

            My resin Wraith Engine says “Made in China”.

          • Interesting… the bottom of my metal Retribution Sentinels say Made in China as well while my metal Choir box says made in the USA.

          • mathieu

            After checking, at least the Throne of Everblight I’m working on is “made in the USA”. And is of a much higher quality than my Wraith Engine…

            Coincidence? Given how bad the quality of their plastic is, I just assumed that they had little to no control over the quality control of the stuff that was manufactured for them overseas. And realizing that the newer resins are both made in-house and of a much higher quality (at least as far as the model I’m working on… all online reviews show bad miscasts on the Trollblood chariot) confirms that assumption.

            I’m really happy that they apparently finally did something to address the quality issues of their first resin kits. Every single one I’ve seen out of the box (both in real life and online) were just plain unacceptable from a company that prides itself on having the best casters on the planet. I just wish they’d come out and admit they screwed up. I’m seriously considering sending customer support a request for replacement pieces on that Wraith Engine. Which I already did back then, but which only resulted in another set of terribly miscast pieces. Now that they seem to be able to produce quality resin, I may finally get a model worthy of its very high price tag…

        • I actually have the Dark Young model from Black Ball Games. In fact I may be the first customer to get it ๐Ÿ™‚ (Matthew can correct me if I’m wrong). It is significantly smaller and less material. It is an awesome model but it is only 3 main large resin pieces along with a handful of small resin bits. Now if the Conquest as many pieces as the Stormwall then I can only assume it is more difficult to make and more time consuming.

          Another difference is that PP is making these models available to retailers unlike their extreme editions. Wholesale price is roughly half of retail which brings this model down to roughly $67. Since PP goes through distribution they have to be selling less than that.

  • Blitz R

    Considering the prices from some of the other ‘big players’ in the game, you can hardly complain about what PP have done here. Sure it is a lot for a single model. If this were made by GW you would be nearly doubling the price easily.

    • mathieu

      If this were made by GW, it would be plastic, just about flawless (which is something PP is still struggling with), and half the price.

      If it were made by FW it would be the same exact price. Battle Engines already are priced the same as FW models of the same size, except that Battle Engines aren’t nearly as finely detailed, an issue that PP seems to implicitly admit since they keep going on and on about how the Colossals will be as detailed as 30mm models.

      • Absolutionis

        Mathieu, you hit the proverbial nail on its proverbial head.

  • Heble

    I like the Conquest… At 135 USD its cheaper for me to buy it than scratchbuild ๐Ÿ˜›

    Looking forward to adding one (+?), to my army.

  • Heble

    Ps: Any idea on a release date?

    • I remember hearing something about Gencon, but that might have just been the book?

      • Blitz R

        The Cygnar Stormwall is out in June. The book is in July if memory serves me correctly. I am hoping that the Conquest is out in July too…..but that is nothing more than what I hope.

        • skullking

          Considering the video for the Cyrx Kraken says ‘August 2012’, and this is being priviewed on the site, AND on the video a month or so ago, I’d guess this is a July release, with the book. But, that is still just a guess/hope.

  • Marauder

    Cost aside, the Conquest looks awesome, and good on Vlad getting on a horse! And this is coming from an old school Menite!

    Can’t wait to see what the protectorate models look like, but given that I haven’t played Hordesmachine in a couple of years it would be hard to justify the purchase. Still appreciate the eye candy though!

    -Tim

    • Absolutionis

      Cost aside, GW is a great company.
      Cost aside, the Lamborghini is the ideal car for most people.
      Cost aside, I don’t see why more people don’t buy Yachts.

      • TheCapn

        That was uncalled for… Just because you don’t like a game doesn’t mean you have to go make fun of people who do…

  • skullking

    I think the Conquest looks great, and considering it’s Resin and Metal, I don’t think the price is too bad. I’m glad to see that the Mercs are getting one too, though I’d see them more with some sort of battle wagon, than a colossal, but, whatever.

    As a big time fan of Khador, I think Vlad is looking good on his horse. But, admittedly, I’d rather they’d Epi-fied one of the other khador casters a first time ‘cough’ KARCHEV ‘cough’, than do one of the old boys/girls a second time. I get that all the epics represent different aspects of the same character, and that they play differently than each other. But Especially when they’ve provided rules to play much larger games, you’re severely limiting the combinations possible by having 3 of your casters be the SAME character. I realize you can just PLAY whoever you want, and have an army with 3 vlads vs 3 Nemos, but it does get a bit silly in a thematic sense.

    OR, maybe we’re reading things wrong, and Nemo’s apprentice is the actual caster, and Vlad’s HORSE is the one who casts the spells and distributes focus…

    but, I digress…

    Just glad to see that Stryker is not the first Cygnarian to go 2xEpicky. Apparently PP’s raging boner for him is finally starting to go flaccid.