Noble Armada – What’s Next?

By tgn_admin
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Mar 23rd, 2011
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Mongoose Publishing have posted a new blog article looking at their plans for the Noble Armada game.

From their announcement:

As any long-term fan of Mongoose will know, we don’t sit on our laurels here at the HQ, and the cogs are already turning for A Call to Arms: Noble Armada. We like to support our games heavily, so this is what you can look forward to over 2011…

  • PrimusPilus

    Hi Guys,

    I nearly fell off my chair when MGP said, “We like to support our games heavily,….

    Seriously!

    I bought into Starship Troopers. Hundreds of Dollars of figures and it was dumped by MGP.

    I bought into Battlefield Evolution – A few hundred dollars worth. I demoed at my LGS – It was dumped by MGP.

    I thought Babylon 5: A Call to Arms – Great reviews. Been around a few years. Bought all the fleets and rules. – Dumped by MGP.

    See a pattern here?

    Babylon 5 : ACTA is the only game our group still occasionally plays since we have everything prior to it being dumped by MGP and filled gaps with 3rd party figures.

    All were great game. I refuse to have anything to do with MGP ever again. I sold all my figures and rules and refuse to play Babylon 5: ACTA simply because of MGP.

    I have sat and watched MGP release new miniature rules like Judge Dredd and now “Noble Armada”

    I would say support another company. There are so many great products out there from hard working honest companies who do not give the customer the wrong end of the stick and it is easy to see thanks to great web sites such as Tabletop Gaming News.

    Just my opinion and my angry rant.

    Happy Gaming!

    Cheers,

    Allan

    • Cergorach

      Starship Troopers and Babylon 5 were produced under license, and I shouldn’t have to tell you that those are relatively expensive licenses.

      Starship Troopers lasted two years with full support, three before it was officially announced.

      Babylon 5 – ACTA lasted four years and they stopped producing miniatures because the range became to large and the sales weren’t there to keep supporting it.

      Battlefield Evolution prepaints suffered from production issues and bad paint jobs. Not to mention the realization that the sales weren’t there either to fund this rather ambitious project. This directly ties into Starship Troopers, because they planned to do a second edition with prepaints, and after the failed attempts with BE the just canned the whole thing.

      We could claim that going with prepaints was a bad decision, but at the time it was thought to be the next big thing, even now Rackham has left the building due to he same assumptions.

      Noble Armada – ACTA is produced under license, but it is a far cheaper license then either ST or B5 so no issues there. They also pretty much already had the initial miniatures made for the and those only required a few tweaks. Producing metal miniatures isn’t exactly a very large investment, so there is less risk then with the previous properties. They have a lot of room to expand the number of fleets and the type of ships they produce. Also the universe is still being developed instead of being very static like ST and B5.

      Do I expect decades of support, products and rules, no. Mongoose isn’t Games-Workshop, they tried that and failed. But a couple of years of support would be nice and enough imho to complete your fleets and keep playing after Mongoose drops this incarnation of ACTA. And let’s be honest, Mongoose won’t drop a golden egg, it only drops a line after it’s past being profitable and that we can throw at the feet of the players.

      My issues with Mongoose are less with their support and more to do with their quality of writing, editing, art and quality of their books. Haven’t really touched anything all that recent from them, but I’ll buy the NA – ACTA pdf and the miniatures, because I’m a Fading Suns => Noble Armada fan.

  • Dominik

    I think that’s not fair …

    They had to dump these games, because they’ve got serious business problems in that time. You can’t blame them for their measures to rescue the company and of course the connected jobs to it. Yes, maybe most of these problems were their own fault – but in my opinion, that’s business. I’ve also bought tons of their Battlefield Evolution prepainted figures and also sold many many Starship Troopers miniatures as a retailer. Both games are still playable. The rules and miniatures do not expire. πŸ™‚ I still use the prepainted miniatures for Modern Combat or other games (for example “Modern Ops”).

    It’s been a couple of years now, that they are out of miniatures business. So i think it’s okay to give them another chance. Noble Armada is not my game, but i wish them all the best for it.

    That’s just my opinion, regarding your rant. So, it’s nothing personal. πŸ™‚

  • blackfang

    Yeah, what PrimusPilus said.

    It doesn’t matter how good MGP’s excuses for dumping games are, they are still just excuses and the end result for customers is the same. For the sake of people who are still willing to trust them with their money, I hope this time it works out. I want to see 3-4 years of smooth sailing before I deal with them again.

    • Cergorach

      Wizards of the Coast did Star Wars Miniatures before they dropped it after 5.5 years, is that an acceptable time to support a miniatures game? WizKids did the same with MechWarrior: Dark Age after 5-6 years. So what is an acceptable period of time to continue to support a miniatures game and should producers continue support even when it’s clear that customers aren’t buying enough. And is that the producers fault, the customers, or just a fact of doing business?

      • evernevermore (John)

        Mechwarrior is a terrible example, it may have been supported for years but bad decisions made with each new expansions rules made it a disaster for the gamer.

        Mongoose has burned A LOT of the goodwill its games have produced with some of the poorer decisions theyve made

  • n815e

    As any long-term fan of Mongoose will
    know, we don’t sit on our laurels here
    at the HQ

    …”we drop games as fast as you buy them.”

  • Bostich

    Mongoose has been through a lot. Frankly I think they’re lucky to have survived to this point.

    Wish them the best of luck, but right now they don’t have much in the way of licenses I care about (never even heard of Noble Armada until they picked it up).

    B5 was a draw, ACTA as a system was ok but never great.

  • GS_topcow

    Mongoose is a very mixed bag company, they’ve had some great licenses with good products, but have always had a a hard time mantaining those lines (if you look at it, its always brands that have an underdog feel to them, or at least lower profile).

    This businness is hard, buyers are fickle and so are retailers, production and distribution costs for a small company, plus risky investments, you name it…

    One of my favorite games ever is a mongoose game, gangs of Megacity-1, I love it, play it and I scrounge for different gangs to keep on playing it and introducing people to the game.

    Can we blame a companyof creators for bad/risky businness decisions? for the nature of the market? I dont think we can.

    Perhaps, we need to be a little more objective, and let go of the GW/WoC model in which new stuff is a requirement for play, and judge the games as they are, for what they are the moment they get to your hands.

    It is nice to get new stuff, it is nice to see FAQs and organized play. But its not that what makes a good game or a good author for that matter.

    best of luck to Mongoose (fingers crossed for Judge Dredd, Yeah!), If the rules are solid and the models neat, you can count on my money.

    GS

  • I wish them nothing but the best, but customer confidence is a tricky thing to regain, once lost.

    But if it might get me 28mm Noble Armada figs at some point in the future, I’m all in.