Defiance Games launches 28mm Power Armor Hardsuits Kickstarter campaign

By Polar_Bear
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Sep 20th, 2013
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Defiance Games has launched a Kickstarter campaign in order to fund a line of 28mm Power Armor Hardsuits. They’re already well over their funding level, so it’s stretch goals for 20 days.

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From the campaign:

The Hardsuit project is one that has generated a huge amount of interest from the wargames community and we are taking to Kickstarter to make sure we do it RIGHT!

We know that these are our most anticipated figure set and we want to make sure we are ready for the surge of interest. This Kickstarter will help us gauge that interest with enough lead time to have everything perfect for our early 2014 launch.

The sculpture is nearly 100% complete with a few tweaks to come for manufacturing purposes. In an ideal scenario our actual lead time to produce the figures – from 3D print through to production molds and boxed release – is about a month. We’ve added three additional months of cushion to guarantee that these are absolutely perfect and that we can meet the demand.

Each box set of the UAMC Hardsuits will contain 8 figures (two 4 figure squads) with multiple weapons options. Our Hardsuits will be made with spin plastic. MSRP $29.95

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  • 4tonmantis

    Defiance, I know you read these.. love your stuff and I get why you would do this.. but come on… this is a kickstarter-based pre-sale. Call it what it is.

  • luckyb0y

    So what? It’s not like CMoN endorsed products were anything else but a preorder. Nothing wrong with that. Don’t want to support it? Fine. just wait for it to hit retail. Why do you care what others do with their money?

    • 4tonmantis

      You misunderstand.. I enjoy their products, however, Kickstarter is not intended to be a store. It’s supposed to be a way for people to fund projects. I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference.

      • blkdymnd

        No, everyone understands the concept, but it’s not what Kickstarter is anymore. Kickstarter is a preorder store now. Originally, it was meant to be other, but Kickstarter themselves have allowed it to be a preorder store for companies now, and have for a while.

  • blkdymnd

    Of course it’s a Kickstarter based pre sale, why is that surprising to anyone anymore? It’s how the majority of the industry runs now and has for the last year or two.

  • Darsc Zacal

    Kickstarter gave it the go ahead so I don’t see an issue regarding it being an preorder. If that’s what kickstarter wants, then that’s what kickstarter is.

    However I won’t be backing this project for other reasons.

    • Soulfinger

      I picture you staring down at the alien that has just burst from your chest, the sound of scuttling creatures in the background, as you type on your tablet in a steamy industrial complex, “However, I won’t be backing this project . . . for other reasons.”

      I think of it this way. Do I want to save $5 by paying for this several months before its release, or do I want to wait until its out and save $6 when my FLGS or some eBay seller gives me a 20% discount. It’s the stretch goals and exclusives that make the difference.

      • That first paragraph was effing epic. 😀

        As for the second – I tend to agree with that sentiment.

  • blackfang

    I hope nobody is silly enough to give money up front to these guys by now.

    • Grim6

      Not familiar with the company, and haven’t bought from them before, but I do like the models. Is there some reason you say this? Have they failed to deliver in the past, or is there a quality issue?

      • Haibane

        I found this through some Googlin :

        http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/482208.page

        Although the last post on it is the end of 2012. This has more recent comments :

        http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=294238&page=1

        I have plumped in for a bit of money since I like the designs and am an optimist 😉

      • Soulfinger

        Oh my yes, there are past issues with the owner. Check out this older TGN post. It was quite a drama. As Cergorach posted there, the “owner/business manager has a public record of not paying his bills (so much so that he looses the controlling interest of his previous venture) and slandering in public the person/company he owes (a lot of) money to . . .”

        • 4tonmantis

          Think he meant Defiance Games.

          If you’re going to be my nemesis we really are going to have to work on those comprehension skills.

          • Soulfinger

            I’m talking about Defiance. Same guy who ran up $250k in debt as Wargames Factory and lost the company = failure to deliver in the past.

          • 4tonmantis

            No…flippin.. way.
            I had no clue it was the same guy.

            So.. your comprehension was fine you just didn’t do the best job explaining that it was the same guy.

        • Grim6

          OK, thanks for the input. I remember reading this, but hadn’t bought anything from them at the time, so it didn’t really register. And since it was a while ago, my quick search on TGN for Defiance didn’t go back that far.

          I actually just finally got word that I will get refunded on my first ‘bad’KS after missing their delivery date for nearly a year (pretty good, considering I’ve backed over 20 campaigns now), but I will avoid this one. Don’t want to add another bad bet to the list.

      • 4tonmantis

        From my understanding people have bought things from the actual store and previous KS outings, and not received the merchandise as of yet. This is pretty much confirmed to be a typical behavior for Defiance and the change in leadership is supposedly a step towards fixing that.

        • Soulfinger

          More than likely, the change in leadership just means that the previous owner will be starting some new company, like “Dissident Factory,” so he can continue to pursue his dream of accruing debt and driving businesses into the ground. Really, it’s a damn shame, because there are some great ideas (I’d love to have a couple dozen of these armored suits). Then again, Wargames Factory seemed to recover from the mismanagement, so maybe Defiance will too.

  • surprize

    It’s probably not the place to get into an in depth kickstarter ethics discussion. But I just wanted to point out the logical fallacy of the “no one’s forcing you to buy it” stance on KS. It totally misses the point about coercion and dubious selling practices. Its the reason that trading standards exists. And quite frankly, in the UK at least, some kickstarter projects with their low goals and copious stretches would at least draw the attention of trading standards if they were in a convention retail setting (FLGS or web).

    The reason they are able to get away with it, is that there is no actual product at the outset (or at least they pretend there isn’t). Things like ‘buy one get one free’, which is analogous to ‘if we hit this stretch goal we add # models to the base game box’ have to be proved as having been sold without the offer at some point. Otherwise the “offer” is unfairly coercing the buyer into purchasing the project there and then.

    What I’m saying is that if these KS never intended to put out a product with less models in the box, or without the limited edition dice, or coloured plastic counters etc, etc, but pretend that reaching the stretch goals has allowed them to include them; then this is misleading and is coercing buyers to part with their cash as they feel they are getting a deal.

    Of course you have the choice to see through it and not pledge. But people also have the choice to not sign up to aggressive door-to-door selling tactics, not to buy that sofa at a massive 50% off for one weekend only, not to buy from the meat lorry at the market offering “but that’s not all, I’ll also through in this half a pig”. No-one is “forcing” people to get duped. But duped they are.

  • Haibane

    Yeah, this sort of thing is pretty rife in the UK at least – ever bought a pizza without a voucher? Ever bought furniture that wasn’t on sale? People like being told they’re getting a bargain, even when they’re actually only paying a normal price.

    Regardless of all that though, it does seem like there’s a lot more products on the market since Kickstarter became the de facto way to launch a product line. Or mebbe I’ve just become a completely brain-washed KS drone ^^