Well that’s a shame. I do look forward to the English downloads though.

It is good to see a company try and work to give thier fans what they want - infact the english rulebook might convince me to look harder at this game as it will now be accessible for me - finding a source of single minis is still high on the list as some of the box sets dont appeal to me except for a single figure.

Understanding Geof requested to do not diffuse this letter without his agreement I did a mistak to propose you this news

Could you please remove it from your webside until he said you’re free to post

apologise for this mistake

Seb, aka darth-swen

darth-swen wrote:

Understanding Geof requested to do not diffuse this letter without his agreement I did a mistak to propose you this news

He posted it to a public message board and we’re just linking to it. If he doesn’t want the contents distributed then I would think that posting it in a public forum is not the way to go about it.

Since it’s in doubt whether the post was intended for public release, it has been temporarily removed. It will be reinstated as soon as we know it was for the general public and not just UKCORD members.

Many apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.

EDIT: Post’s back. Read away!

Got it. Guerilla marketing.

Understandable. They don’t want crazy, hyper-religious, non gaming people protesting outside gaming stores, smothering their kid’s faces with their hands and screaming, “But who will protect the children?!”

darth-swen wrote:

There is nothing personnal against TGN or whatever…

None taken. I just thought that suggestion was odd. Thankfully the post is back up so it all appears to be a moot point :-)

Having played a quick demo of this it’s a great game to play. It’s fascinating watching how a great looking game with a great miniatures range is having trouble expanding not due to demand but due to managerial caution (and I can see why the caution is there, just not sure it is as big a deal as they fear it might be).

I hope it does make it into a general English version release - Asmodee seem to produce some beautiful looking products.

I think Geoff’s concern is not just producing a bad name for his company in the states (his company has no presence in the states so that’s moot for him) but that it could produce fallout against Asmodee USA which has been noted on several occasions as being a completely separate company that is licensed to produce certain board games.

It is really sad that the people in charge there have that sort of attitude towards all English speaking countries. I thought that the reason for this had to do with business decisions. Never did I imagine that it had to do with prejudice.

I am surprised that anybody running a (or working for) business would would post something like this.

I was somewhat on the fence about this game. There are plenty of other game out there and I will be playing those.

Prejudice? How could you possibly read that in that post? He had stated that they had problems with thier content IN FRANCE. And the upper management is afraid that they may have the same problems when they release an English version of the book. Then he goes to THANK those very same countries for the support they have given the game so far even without an English version of the book or materials. It has nothing to do with a prejudice towards… well i’m not sure where you see his prejudice going because I have no clue where you came up with that. I just think you took his post way out of context.

One way or another, I’m just really happy that one of the authors came up and said what needed to be said - if one more person asked me about what’s going on with Helldorado I’d be going on a tri-state ramapge (if you guys just knew how many times the project’s been greenlighted before the French upper management changed their minds on us…. UGH!)

From what I understand it’s not Geof who doesn’t want English distribution, its the higher ups at Asmodee. It is entirely their own prerogative on what they want to do and what market they are going to cater to.

People protest both left and right, whether you agree with them or not its a the choice of a business whether or not they want to take adjust or stay as is.

I don’t know how Asmodee is run, if it’s private or publicly owned, but whoever owns it probably made the choice to prevent Asmodee’s US market from going through a situation that may cost them in sales and jeopardize what they have built so far in the US market.

Personally I think they are worrying over nothing as there other games out there that have worse portrayals and yet don’t’ suffer any backlash. But obviously I assume they have done more research and put more thought into to it than I have. So I will respect their choice.

I’m just glad they will support English speakers through online supplements and downloads. For a company that’s not even going to attempt to target our market I really appreciate the effort they are making for the fans of the game but catering to us the limited capacity they can online.

I really want to try this game out simply because of the models. There are few people that I chat with online who play the game, and all they do is rave about it.

I will definitely try to be one of the first to get a copy of the download when it comes available to try out the game.

Good luck to Geof to getting a more widespread audience.

Personally I think they are worrying over nothing as there other games out there that have worse portrayals and yet don’t’ suffer any backlash.

It depends on what you call “not suffering any backlash”. A mere ‘mature audience’ sticker (which is the very least such a game would get in the US) might not seem like anything to you, but it will make parents think twice before buying the game for their kids.

I think parents should think twice also. It’s their responsibility to raise their kids in what they think is appropriate. Personally I don’t think Hell Dorado is an appropriate game for my child as it introduces themes and concepts that she is too young process.

The reason why I’m not too concerned here is that even mainstream companies like Marvel have an adult themed label for their comics (I think it’s called Max), yet they don’t suffer any backlash against it’s other properties.

In here I think people are more concerned if content is being marketed to the appropriate audience. But like I said before, it’s their choice to take that chance or not and I will respect that.