Not interested in the game really, but the art looks fantastic. Probably nab one used at Powells : )

I’m very curious about 5th - though I will probably hold off a little while on getting it. The Battle for Black Reach (if I got the name right) looks to have fantastic models for thier price - but again going to wait and see before buying. Between 40k 5 and D&D 4 Im curious about these new editions but not running out and buying them.

So Doc - does that mean you’ll be doing a review on it? :P

John - if the UK gets my stuff to me in a timely manner, or the local Grey Knight lets me play some games in the next few weeks once he has the rulebook, sure I’ll write up some comments!

I am looking into this myself primarily because I came into ownership of a huge painted Space Marine army that I was going to flog on eBay but really got quite attached to.

Sadly I have a really limited amount of time for gaming and there is *always* a 40K event at one of the local stores

I think the fluff does move, just not “forward”. The time line is pretty much fixed and the cool stuff that has happened over the past 8-10 years has been the “back filling” of why the Imperium is the way it is.
Rumoured in the book is the story of the “other” races but from their perspective (it has always been from the viewpoint of mankind up to now)

No, no and thrice no!

I will just stick to Rogue Trader and I will have no worries about codex creep or playing with an outdated list, as all of mine will be!

And dare I say it, SQUATS LOL!

SW

I have a ton of old 40k stuff, and could totally get into playing it if they bit the bullet and made some major changes to the rules. None of the rumors indicate that this has happened, so I won’t be buying this edition.

I still have my Eldar from ‘91. But there are too many other good games out right now. I’d be happy if the game changed to something that challenged the old noggin’ a bit more, but I think most of the existing (huge) player base is pretty happy with it.

So, I’m content to throw down one or two games a year with my old minis and a borrowed rulebook, and happily let 40k continue to be the first crack hit that brings so many gamers into our hobby. :)

made some major changes to the rules
I think the changes are pretty major; LOS, would allocation, HtH, vehicle move/shoot/transportation, game types…
What more do you want? I don’t see the mechanics changing; that would make 40K not 40K!

Squats can still be used as a “counts as” Guard force can they not?

If Dave Taylor can scratch build an entire army and use it in a tournament I am sure you can use Squats :-)

Squats are an issue mainly in deciding what army list to use, Ive heard Ork, Imperial Guard, and Salamanders being used. Doc I think some people want the setting with a totally different system.

What more do you want?

Alternating activation, primarily.

Can we try not to make this a “what is wrong with 40K” thread please?

You can’t copyright a rules mechanic. Heard that from Jervis more than a few times

Alternate activation in 40K is easy!

I have been using it since the RT days for my 40K games and it beats hell out of the IGOYOUGO system, and yes I still use overwatch, and Squats; sorry couldn`t resist that one.

On the Veteran/Investment front, I too have been at this 40K Malarkey for a long time, about 20 years in fact, and the new versions are just grey (not even black & white), just grey to me. So my investment was in the rules that I had the most fun with, hence my new/old retro-head gaming.

I will be interested in seeing all the comments about which codex is pants and my army is now broken comments on the WWW in the near future. You just know its gonna happen.

Its just nice to be off that particular hamster wheel, but please don`t let me stop you. Have fun!

SW

Yeah, you can’t copyright a rules mechanic as it is a process. The only thing that’s copyright is the actual wording in publication, any diagrams, etc., (ie., the actual published work).

Doesn’t LOTR use alternating activations or something like that? I don’t remember.

And yes, they can change the core mechanics of 40k and still have it be 40k. Given the increasing revenue from 40k (and WFB) licenses to video game companies and whatnot, I’d argue that the true “40kness” of 40k is in its imagery, fiction and setting rather than the rules. If they made a completely revamped set of 40k rules with new mechanics that better reflects the imagery, fiction and setting of the 41st millennium, it would be more a 40k game than the current game is.

Will I think it’ll happen? Nope. This new edition isn’t about the next step for the game, but simply an opportunity to sell another hardcover rules book to those who already bought the game.

I have been using it since the RT days for my 40K games and it beats hell out of the IGOYOUGO system, and yes I still use overwatch, and Squats; sorry couldn`t resist that one.

If I could convince people to play by “custom” rules, I’d probably just go ahead and convince them to play something else. I enjoy the background pretty well and all, but the number of available players is the real allure.

I won’t be picking it up. Haven’t really played much lately and well, I seemed to have sold off all my armies. If there wasn’t so many other cool games out there I’d probably pick it up and get going on a Chaos army though…

@nathan

LOTR doesn’t do alternating activations exactly - the player with priority moves first, then the other player moves, the player with priority shoots first, then the other - then you do melee combat - which is simutanious.

-Tim

I picked up the MacCragge set just for the terrain and the marines. It was a cheap way to get started on the 40K builder campaign we were running. The terrain is still unpainted though.

I’m not sure when I’ll pick it up, I know I will eventually though.

I was looking at infinity at the UK Games Expo and despite absolutely loving the miniatures was slightly put off by just how ‘tall’ they are in comparison to the rest of my collection. So I guess my gaming tendencies at the moment seem restrained by my past investment in my ‘mini’ mountain.

Although saying that I did pick up a D&D minis game starter and booster and played it with my kids - absolutely top game from a pick up and play perspective. Really easy and loads of fun. I’ve already downloaded the stat cards for use with proxies from my citadel minis collection but suspect I’ll pick up a few more of the official minis too when I see something I like the look of - or simply for a ’surprise’ when opening a booster.

I haven’t had chance to try AT-43 which I presume would be a similar experience to D&D (prepaints and simple rules) so that might give me a pick up and play sci-fi fix when I need it.

But when it comes down to it I have so much emotional investment (as well as physical) in my 40k collection that I think I’ll stick with warhammer 40k whatever else I flirt with over the years.

I’m in. The guys at the local store are very excited for this release, and for once I’ll actually have a fully painted army ready for the occasion. I’m putting the finishing touches on my Tau right now. I was planning on starting on a IG Valhallan army next, but given that the new SM codex is “now” and the IG codex is “next year” I might switch that up.

At the very least I’ll be getting the box set with the mini rulebook, Orks and Space Marines.

I actually get the impression that the local shop is worried about interest in 5h edition. A bunch of 40k players made noisy defections to PP, and the shop is throwing a bunch of promos out to generate preorders.

Maybe this happens with every edition, though. I don’t know.

BTW, I will be picking it up only if the early price rumours from the Bell of Lost Souls for the boxed set are basically correct. Obviously, taken at face value that price point was calculated as something of a loss leader. But if GW now raises the price from what it stated in its controlled buzz creation leak of the time, I will not be buying it in a month of Sundays, even if GW dresses it up as a response to higher costs or whatever way it could be spun.

Just to be clear.

There still hasn’t been a confirmation that the boxed set will contain a full ruleset. I can’t see that it won’t but keep that in mind when preordering.

And don’t forget to check out your local stores as many places or having preorder specials or running gaming events.

I am not going to bother with GW at all untill they bring back the Rule of letting me have my 8 Dreadnoughts in my Blood Angels army on the tabletop.

@king_Doberman -> What you describe sounds a lot like the Apocalypse army I fielded the other day… so there you are GW actually released a rulebook that allows you field 8 dreadnoughts…

she DESPISES the anti-female fluff that GW seems to promote.

I’m not trying to be a jerk….but what part specifically? I had a whole army of tough women in the form of Sisters of Battle. The Eldar have some female models as well. And the Dark Eldar as well? Off the top of my head, the ratio of m:f figures in 40k is about the same as Hordesmachine, isn’t it?

not to turn this into a whole new thread about GW and sexism but how many females play 40k vs other minis games? the numbers are small on both sides but the GW numbers are almost nil (in my experience they ARE nil).

“Given that it is written by a bunch of “gamer lads” I wouldn’t be surprised if it was filled with stuff that your average woman would be put off by :-)”

an excellant way of putting it !

1) Yep, I will no doubt b getting 5th edition–it is the game to play around here.
2) Yep, there is “male orientation” going on here, like in video games where women are busty (and men all look like Conan); more nerd fantasy than misogyny by most people’s gauge; look at some of the adds for stunning non GW minis on this site and you will see far more suggestive and possibly derogatory stuff
3) Bigotry? Really?! I thought it was just toy soldiers. GW is not, cannot be responsible for all the horrors of the world. They make toy soldiers (reasonably well, at fairly steep cost) and eat bacon sandwiches with their tea. I play their games, and those of other games companies who likely also drink tea and I have never felt they were secretly turning me into a fascist or racist. If I play WWII Russians it doesn’t make me Pro Communist dictators any more than playing cold heartless egyptian derivative necrons makes me any more, um, robotically necronish. These are ultimately toys. Apply labels cautiously.

sorry to get it semi off topic zac, but the reasons I mentioned are why I will be putting my money into other minis games.

@grendal: It’s not really like GW couldn’t pull of proper cool females, just think House Escher of Necromunda fame. A favourite among many punk/goth/metal-gurls in my place ;)

We can open the can of worms in another topic perhaps.

Maybe next week someone can email me to remind me to post a chat topic about that?

I was almost sold when I heard the following things; shiny new rulebook with a shitload of new illustrations, different perspective (now from the various races), lots of fun minis & stuff in the starter… but the latest rumors that surfaced made me consider against buying it once it’s out.

Mainly specific Ultra Marine models and incomplete rulebook… and uncomfortable, big price, full rulebook - handy rules section from Macragge was a great idea.
The Space Wolves codex is the release that decides wether I’ll go for 40K 5th or maybe pick it up some time later (if I feel bored or like shelling out cash), or maybe never…

I do have to admit the stuff they write up on Bell of Lost Souls sounds fun and different.

For the record - the photos on Bell of Lost Souls of the Battle for Black Reach marines DO NOT show any molded on Ultramarines symbols. The rule book for BBR has not been confirmed as a stripped down book