Comments on: Ask TGN: starting Warhammer 40K

By: Zac

Zac — Thu, 29 May 2008 22:20:54 +0000

dont do it.

Perhaps you didn’t read the first comment?

By: phoenixman

phoenixman — Thu, 29 May 2008 22:04:08 +0000

dont do it. GW are getting too expensive, try flames of war insterad. for just over a hundred pounds you can get a WHOLE army not just somewhere close to 50% of one. anyway thats my opinion, i am currently in the process of selling most of my GW stuff as they have seriously hacked me off with all the price hikes, like people can afford it with everything else going up these days. its a hobby after all and not an essential item so make it reasonably priced and you will sell more.

By: steeldragon

steeldragon — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:54:01 +0000

I’ve just checked and the infantry Box sets they will release for apocalypse are 1500 point armies in a box… so that might be convenient to check too.

Andres

By: Doc

Doc — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:14:32 +0000

And wallet size…

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Thu, 29 May 2008 19:55:31 +0000

One question that just struck me: what is the age range and gaming experience of this anonymous reader? That could alter peoples’ recommendations.

By: Doc

Doc — Thu, 29 May 2008 17:56:32 +0000

I’m going to assume this is US$ pricing?
In the GW Canada HQ last weekend I noticed their battalion/regiment/army boxes have stickers on them indicating the savings. I’m not sure this is global though, but it might be worth a trip to a GW store to investigate.

By: Brett

Brett — Thu, 29 May 2008 17:11:16 +0000

The thread I linked to previously now has average point costs per battalion box for 40k.

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?t=65102

By: Akronas

Akronas — Thu, 29 May 2008 00:36:51 +0000

My advice : look at the army list you are interested in, then get some cheap old unused miniatures off Ebay to use as proxies ! Usually, with some conversion work (i.e. weapon swap), there’s little you can’t do with existing minis.

85% of the time, it’s all about the about paint job anyway !

By: Zac

Zac — Wed, 28 May 2008 01:57:58 +0000

Part of the fun of 40K is tweaking your list and giving your heroes cool weapons and seeing how it works. Not sure that this wouldn’t be possible with a point system like AE-WWII or even the reduced point values in SoTR.

By: evernevermore (John)

evernevermore (John) — Wed, 28 May 2008 00:51:29 +0000

LOL - Zac can you imagine the moaning and wailing and gnashing of teeth if they did that? Im not sure how well that would work - the flexibility of the army lists would make that quite difficult to organize

By: Zac

Zac — Tue, 27 May 2008 23:33:15 +0000

where`s the fun in a perfectly balanced game.

No such thing as “perfectly” balanced but if you are going to have a point system it would be nice if it was a bit more balanced :-)

Part of the fun is facing a tactical disadvantage and either forcing a draw or even pulling of a spectacular win, or even in a glorious last stand.

That is more a scenario based type of game though. For quick and dirty throw downs a point system helps.

Mind you I think GW should take a page from Darkson Designs and use their “no points” system of army design

By: TheOldMan

TheOldMan — Tue, 27 May 2008 23:08:35 +0000

I’ve never played 40k. If my friends played it I’d probably try it. I love the look of the Death Korps of Krieg. Just as well though. I’d spend WAY too much on the Forge World stuff.

By: stormwolf

stormwolf — Tue, 27 May 2008 19:02:56 +0000

Kampfgruppe Cottrell: Right on man, Rogue Trader rocks!

Try before you buy! Current incarnations of 40k can get bland very quickly. I would suggest a smaller game with more variety in unit choices as well.

Oh and Zac, where`s the fun in a perfectly balanced game. You might as well put a mirror across half the table and play that way LOL!

Part of the fun is facing a tactical disadvantage and either forcing a draw or even pulling of a spectacular win, or even in a glorious last stand.

For a newbie not so much fun though.

But the golden rule is play LOTS before you buy and not just in the store, get a few real games in if you can. The bad thing about playing in store is some of the troglodytes that you will end up playing against.

Avoid munchkin power gamers at all costs!

By: evernevermore (John)

evernevermore (John) — Tue, 27 May 2008 18:45:49 +0000

And I have had the opposite of Keirof - My space marines and chaos marines have always been troop heavy and Ive always enjoyed having the superhuman schmucks holding the line as my big nasties (be it tanks or demon princes or dreadnoughts) broke the back of the enemy.

Some good players and an army you enjoy - thats my suggestions (well besides the threat of imminent physical violence towards whiny rules lawyers :P)

By: Keirof

Keirof — Tue, 27 May 2008 18:22:12 +0000

I’m not really bitching. If I was bitching I’d offer theories on why GW did the 60% troop thing. ;-)

I’m really just saying that if you have a broad selection of units in your force it’s more fun.

In the last game of 40K I ever played, IIRC I was using a Space Marine army that had 2 Scout squads (one with teleport homer), 1 Command squad in rhino, 1 Terminator squad, 2 Dreads with assault cannon, 1 Vindicator, 1 Predator with autocannon and heavy bolters, 1 Whirlwind, one Attack bike with multimelta, one Bike squad and 1 Landspeeder Tornado. In other words, I used all 3 of my Fast Attack, Elite and Heavy support choices, and only 1 of my 2 Command and 2 of my 6 Troop choices. And I had far more fun in that game than in any 4 tac squad game I had played, and I played that kind of 60% Troops game a few times.