Umm 60 Euros? I hope it is either 3 feet tall or makes your breakfast for you otherwise it looks like you are being charged 2x-3x the price for the same thing you were buying six months back. Very nice mini indeed but unless it’s huge, that price is scary.

otherwise it looks like you are being charged 2x-3x the price for the same thing you were buying six months back

2x perhaps, 3x definitely not. I agree though. It’s an interesting looking model, I like how it comes with an alternate head and weapon, and it’s a pretty big piece… But it’s not 60€ big or impressive as far as my tastes and my wallet are concerned.

Luckily the same exact model will come in plastic as well (as stated by Jean Bey). So people in love with the sculpt may still get it for (hopefully) a lot less money. Which is a nice gesture from Rackham to satisfy fans of their finely crafted models. The single master for both medium surprises me though.

60 euro is a lot but as can be seen in this image its quite large (and its resin):

http://www.rackham-store.com/site/medias/Belial-4-PT.jpg

There will be a pre-painted plastic version available at a later date, which I assume will be cheaper.

Bloody great looking model.

Zac, I mean from a consumer’s perspective. You are paying X dollars for a model that is Y size and Z quality. So in other words, assuming R hadn’t gone through all its issues and was trading as it was a year or more ago, you would not have paid the same money for this product. Making it limited edition doesn’t change the quality of the sculpt, the size or any other form of end-user reception. R decided to change their molding process for their own business issues and are slugging consumers with an increased price for an equivalent model as a result. It’s being cast fewer times due to their own business re-org - it’s not as if it is a quantum leap above its previous models and as a result is an expensive LE as other companies do. It’s not limited edition because it is super quality, or even super size, compared to other previous company offerings. That is the most common justification for expensive LE. It’s LE because R retooled their business model.

It’s a very nice mini imo. But expensive too, for what it is. So I’ll wait for the plastic version & repaint that ;-)

How cheap of me.

Mathieu is right.
in fact the silicon mold used for resin can cast a limited number of miniature before being to damaged.
Every 30 miniature they have to make a new mold (maybe more or less depending if they are touchy ou not for the quality of the last casts).
So unless the mini is limited UNDER 20, they should not have extra expenses.
That is precisely why resin is the best choice for limited editions.
(all this is based on my indirect experience with 2 different professional of resin cast, so I may be wrong and it may differ with theyr own production method)

Well, if you do the GW thing and price also according to position in the game, Belial is a titan which is like a demi-god you might say. He’s also the cheapest titan I think. At 60 Euro I think it’s somewhat overpriced, but how much is that due to the weed called the US dollar? In Euro thinking, 45 to 50 would be about right. And charge an extra for the legendary-ness and whammo!

I’m gonna get whacked like a mole for supporting R this time. It’s about the first time in many long months.

The other thing you need to take into consideration is that R has stated several times that the prices for their metal models were outdated and would have needed a severe price hike to keep making a profit off of them. It’s just the way the business world goes.

And I think the comparisson to Ultraforge is a bad one. For Rackham their models have to pay for a full staff of people. Ultraforge is, if I remember correctly, like one guy and his girlfriend working out of their house. The two are entirely different businesses even though they produce the same things.

Price discussions are really problematic and I’ve yet to see one that ever satisfied anyone.

There are any number of differences between companies, products and even different models in the same range that people can point to as a reason for or against a price difference. Ultimately these discussions never lead anywhere positive.

And Veritas is correct, Ultraforge is two people who clearly don’t have the overhead that Rackham does and they also don’t cast the same number of figs as Rackham will even for this Legends limited release.

Price discussions may be “problematic”, but they’re also essential to a decent consumer forum

Which this isn’t :-)

Edit: By which I mean that I think of places like the Rackham firms as being a consumer forum.

So some people think it’s overpriced?

That is the actual core to my issue with them. Someone thinks they are too expensive, others don’t. It doesn’t really provide any sort of interesting commentary other than the poster’s state of mind.

These things lead to flames far more often than they lead to any sort of interesting debate

I would also like to bring up the state of Rackham as a company and what goes into the price of this miniature. Sadly though I get angry when I do cause I can see most sides of the argument. So I’m not going to I’m going to talk about the miniature.
Right now though I have to say that model is Awesome looking! Its roughly the size of a Greater Daemon. Thank you to KillmeforPrizes for the comparison photo. With the option to swap parts it make it better and opens it up for conversion nuts like myself. I love the detail on the piece and I think this is definitely a good sign of things to come from their studio. I look forward to getting one and crushing my opponent’s army.

-Ryan
Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory since 1992;P

Just talk about the subject and leave the other comments out of the discussion

Aww Zac!
But sometimes you know I like just going to comments section on rackham models just to see what the angry ex-confrontation players will find to flame about now.

In this instance I think Rackham could have made the size of the model clearer (It’s quite a bit larger than you’d think) and done a better job highlighting the level of the detail (i.e. the little chaosish screaming faces are poking out of its skin all over the place.
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While the it’s not my taste (too chaos-ish) for that Size and Level of detail- it seems about 60 euros worth. Heck I wouldn’t expect the model to be under 45 for the production run (where the detail won’t be as crisp)
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Sadly of course here in america 60 euro is crazy talk… as the dollar continues to plummet… but that’s GWB’s fault not Rackham’s

60 Euros is indeed a ton of money and for people in the US that may make it unreasonably expensive

1687 IIRC. So that is one huge pile of points.

By which he means that £45.00 is roughly equivalent to €60.00 (about €58 at the current exchange rates)

I think they would explicitly mention it on the FW site :)

They have two different models for the Avatar - sword and spear equipped. Dont think they are swappable though

So now its exactly like Forgeworld - so is this R’s idea of a forgeworld division?