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    Mathieu asks:

    What do you TGN readers think about the Black Library books? And more specifically are there any that you’d recommend to someone who’s fond of scifi/fantasy literature but who’s not very familiar with the Warhammer universes?

    27 Responses to “Ask TGN: Black Library books”


    The Grey Knight says:

    The ones i have read and liked are:

    Ravenor
    Ravenor Returned
    Ravanor rogue
    Brothers of the snake
    Eisenhorn
    Grey Knights
    Dark Adept
    Hammer of Daemons

    I have others but have not read them yet. And some others i have read and can’t say I liked them all that much.

    Another comment, you have to remember that while they are supposed to be set in the Warhammer/40k universe, not all of them fit the correct theme to me.


    Zac says:

    The Ravenor series are quite good. I’d recommend them. Storm of Iron, which is being reprinted, is also an great book but I am a fan of the Iron Warriors so I may like it more for that.

    Many of the books are written so that they contain a lot of expository text to bring along new readers so I think from a background perspective you are safe with most of the books.

    I actually found Dark Adept and Grey Knights to be bad reads and I forced myself to finish Dark Adept.

    Dan Abnett’s Gaunt’s Ghosts books are also good (especially the last few) and are available in inexpensive Omnibus editions.


    Michael says:

    Start out with something written by Dan Abnett and you wont go all wrong.

    Eisenhorn triologi for investigation style (Ravenor is great as well, but take place later with some of the same people in them.

    The Horus Heresy series. It is stil being written, it follows the one major event that has shapped the 40k universe it to what it is today.

    Gaunts Ghost for war in the imperial guard :)

    All 3 are great reads in my oppinion.


    mathieu says:

    Cool, thanks everyone.


    The Grey Knight says:

    The problem with the Horus heresy series is that different authors are writing the books. So it makes some good, and some not.


    Darkson says:

    I will have to second Gaunts Ghost series. So far all 10 books have been great. I have enjoyed the Horus Heresy series so far. A good quick read is “15 hours”. Another good series is The Ciaphas Cain series its a funny take on a Commissar who is a coward.


    Zac says:

    The Ciaphas Cain books are amusing but need to be read individually as they aren’t really all that distinct as books. Fun reads but only to intersperse other reading.


    evernevermore (John) says:

    I love the Cain books - nice to see the light hearted (even if still grim and dark) side of 40k. Abnett is fantastic, Id love to see him do a non GW book.
    -The Horus Heresy books are generally good or atleast have sections that are worth reading.
    -I didnt like Fulgrim because either they shied away from what makes Slaanesh Slaanesh or they went and edited it heavily because the book takes a turn for the worse in writing style and flow after the legion falls - though the very ending was back up to the good standard.
    -The Sons of Horus trilogy are all decent with Abnetts lead off book reading the best
    -Flight of the Eisenstorm had some clunk but great characters (the bits in the warp were where I didnt like it) and some interesting twists.
    - I also love the Shira Calpurnia series - very nicely done view of the Arbites. In my opinion it has all the good parts of the Ultramarine stories and not so much the bad.
    -The novel about the Night Lord marine taking down the hive (cant remeber name) was also good because it was actually believable


    Chameleon says:

    I’m no longer into 40K (or GW in general, for that matter), but the Eisenhorn trilogy was a good read and a good introduction to the universe for players just getting into the game. I also thought Fire Warrior was a decent book (never played the video game), as was Storm of Iron (I played Iron Warriors… go figure).


    Carl says:

    I’m another Gaunts Ghosts & Dan Abnett fan.

    I admired his comic script writing for 2000AD and then when he started doing GW stuff was very pleased to see his writing was some of the best the Black Library have to offer.


    oldsalt says:

    Short answer
    the best are still fan fiction
    none to reccomend


    Proclivity says:

    while no Glen Cook…Dan Abnett is really good with space opera…I’ve read all the omnibuses…the second one I finished in four days…so to me that’s a good sign…Brothers of the Snake should be the way all space marines are portrayed…because it just makes sense…Lone Wolves is exactly what Space Wolves are…and Titan is hard core, at least in the third series…I picked up the one about the Black Templars, and that was decent…Ravenor was good and solid…first book was solid…and Eisenhorn was good until the last book…it seemed rushed in it’s setup…and Double Eagle…if you guys don’t appreciate that book, you’re missing out…

    The whole soul drinkers series is decent…a lot of death and murder, with simple plot devices…

    The Inquistor trilogy was crap…only book I couldn’t finish…

    Cain is good, and would be better if the setup for each story wasn’t always the same…”If I had known what was going to happen…blah blah blah” We get it…he’s a coward…

    and Zac…kudos dude…Storm of Iron is probably the best book without a series to it…waiting for the next one in the whole Ultramarines series, not because I care about what’s his name, but more because of the continuation of the Iron Warriors…

    as for the fantasy…Guardians of the Forest actually had a good, solid ending…

    Grey Knights was good at the end…

    But you know what is singlehandedly the best piece of fiction…Deff Skwadron…the graphic novel portrays 40K orks exactly…exactly, the way they should be…funniest, stupidiest, most coolest thing I’ve read…

    if you can’t tell, I have read a lot of what has been offered in the last few years…it’s the only thing I buy other than some paints…and i go to Borders to get my 20% discount and a nice middle to the evil empire…good times..


    Gitteau says:

    The first couple of short story collections were alright. Not sure if those are even still in print. I have to agree that the novels always felt like fan fiction.


    drew01833 says:

    having never delved too deeply into the 40k univierse i think the horus heresy series, while inconsistent, is interesting and worth reading.


    Splat says:

    As light, or fun reading - all the Black Library stuff is pretty decent. Dan Abnett does a great job, IMHO.

    The Guants books and the Cain books are good, as are the Malus DarkBlade series (for those who enjoy fantasy) as well as some of the assorted other fantasy titles.

    These are not going to get Pulitzer nominations. They are simply books to pick up, read on commutes, before bed, etc. Background for the games and usually fun & interesting withn their own means.


    Osbad says:

    As long as you view them as genre sci-fi, rather than expecting “Great Literature”, then you are best, in my view, just plumping for a storyline that takes your fancy. Some of the older books may have some conflicts and inconsistencies with the way the game background went in later years, but that doesn’t really bother me.

    My personal preference is for “Space Mareenz” stories over Chaos stuff and Imperial Guard stuff, but that is simple personal prefeence. On the other hand no one ever has a bad word to say about the Eisenhorn trilogy!

    I go for the Omnibus editions as a rule as they are much better value at around £10 (sometimes discounted - I picked up Souldrinkers from WHW for £8 last week!) Otherwise GW charges the “normal” UK price for a new novel of £6.99.


    Darkson says:

    Also anything by C.L Werner is a good read. :)


    Claes Horsmann says:

    Strong lean towards ScFi, here… :)
    I’ll pitch in with fantasy: I’ve read the malus Darkblade series, and found it entertaining. Good material for visualising the Warhammer world and ist denizens, and a likable enough ‘Bruce Willis in fluted plate armour’ type hero, who keeps getting beat down, gets back up and gets drunk.
    If we’re talking ‘literature’ here, as opposed to ‘entertaining read’, I’d leave it aside. It whiles away the hours, but it doesn’t give your brain anything to chew on.


    Doc says:

    I’ve read EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! I’m in the middle of “Hammer of Daemons” right now..
    I’ve found that all the authors, and genres have their idiosyncrasies, and you learn to love or oath them.
    Pretty much anything Dan Abnett writes is going to be excellent. Lost of Gav Thorpe’s writing, whilst amusing, is weak in literary ability.

    “Storm of Iron” is one of the best books of the 40K Genre… the Ghosts books have weakened a little recently, though “Armour of Contempt” was stronger. The vampire books are good and dark… I find the RPG series a little annoying… the Deathwatch and Grey Knight books are pretty good.


    stonehorse says:

    Black Library books are very hit and miss.

    The Sci-Fi ones that I have enjoyed are;

    Eisenhorn trilogy
    Ravenor trilogy
    Horus Heresy series.

    The Fantasy ones that I have enjoyed are;

    Gilead’s Blood
    Riders of the Dead

    Those that are good do provide a quick read, that is easy to get into. Beyond that I’d rather read Ian M Banks for ‘good’ Sci-Fi books.


    Benoit Lescarbeau says:

    I also liked Gaunt’s Ghosts and most of Dan Abnett’s books. He is a cut above others, in the realm of game-linked novels.

    The only one I really disliked was Double Eagle.


    evernevermore (John) says:

    As far as books about fighter wings (non fiction and fiction) Double Eagle is actually well written - I just didnt like the characters much.


    Zac says:

    I had to start reading Double Eagle twice as I really disliked the first character we are introduced to but the rest of the book was quite well done and I am looking forward to the sequel.


    evernevermore (John) says:

    Its sad that a good novel can be ruined by one character the fans dont like


    Zac says:

    You only need to get through five or six pages before you get to the good stuff :-)


    minipainters says:

    I’m currently reading the Space Wolf omnibus and loving it, being a long time Space Wolves player helps :)


    evernevermore (John) says:

    The Space Wolf series is great because its got such a space opera feel - the heroes are written as being amazing larger then life and the villians are either terrible foes or mooks


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