Man, I wish they would have had a better pic of the clone, but from what I can tell that looks impressive. Lions look decent as well.

“The Lions look pretty awful to me, even worse than the Griffins. They look like generic guards from a Japanese RPG videogame or something. The Dirz continue to look good, though.”

So did the old lions actually

wow im glad i didnt bother with C4, its looking worse and worse. I do however like the new at-43 stuff. cant wait to see the new type 3 strider for una.

Too bad the pictures of the Dasyatis are a little too blurry, it looks like quite the interesting model. The production version of the Wolfen characters are pretty decent, and wouldn’t look half bad within a metal army with a minimum of work.

As for the Alahan models I’m not sold either, but to be fair I was never a huge fan of the army anyway. It does not look as finely sculpted as the old metal models, but that was to be expected if they want to final plastic models to have all the details reproduced accurately.

The new Alahan looks like that got a new armorer. No filligree is the new pink!
Lions and Cynwalls stood no chance in the transition to plastic - at least in the way we knew them.

Those Alahan make me absolutely terrified of seeing the first Cynwall. The Dasyatis looks cool, but the head almost makes it look like a Nemesis clone to me. Also, does it have three arms or is that just me?

The Dasyatis looks cool, but the head almost makes it look like a Nemesis clone to me. Also, does it have three arms or is that just me?

People on the French board pointed out that it might be a Nefarius too. Apparently the game designer at the con mentioned “Dasyatis” as a name though.

Nope, it’s your opinion that is boring and predictable. Ours are insightful and illuminating.

It’s very tiresome to be told that your opinions are suddenly invalid because your time has come and gone. I have opinions on all sorts of models that correspond to games I don’t play, and will continue to voice them. I would also note that almost all of the “old guard” had something complimentary to say about at least half of the models in this preview.

I’m not getting a POed vibe on confrontation at all, here or on other sites. That was the case for a while back there but now I am getting the feeling that the vast majority of long time players are just stunned in a resigned fashion at the terrible quality of the new minis (and to a lesser degree the rules).

They are bad, even the most dire Rackham fanboy is skirting straitjacket territory to claim that many of the PPP figs for Conf are of even average sculpt and pose quality, especially compared to what they used to be. I guess for PPP the conf stuff is not bad (but from what i see very overpriced) but people are commenting on a wider scale - which is why you are seeing a lot of negative statements.

It’s not just ’sour grapes’ or anything like that, it’s the simple fact that when you line up the majority of the new conf stuff against say even comparable GW minis, they look bad - and when you line them up against old conf minis, they look terrible. I don’t think it’s a personal issue as much as people just stating opinions and those opinions happen to be a negative consensus for obvious reasons.

I don’t know, Zac. Maybe you should just close commenting for the Rackham news. Whether it’s previews of upcoming PPP, distribution, rules, etc., you’re bound to have the comments section turn into a flamewar or get filled with lots of comments expressing negatives.

You know as well as I there are plenty of places on the WWW where you can tear Rackham a new one for their PPP and other changes.

Tell Rackham to make some better figures without square swords then :-)

It is just a game, people. If you don’t like it, move onto something else. You should not compare C2 to CAoR, they are actually different in game play and audience.