I grabbed Apocalypse but only really as a source for Epic gaming. I can’t really see any reason for me to grab the new version though

Our group’s adopted a wait and see attitude. We play 40k infrequently as it is, and when 3rd edition took all the best things out of 40k (variable movement rates, variable armor saves, overwatch - although the jury’s still out on that, strikes on charge/not on initiative…basically everything that works in the GW game rules arena) we pretty much put it on the back burner for game nights when we’d burned out a bit on other systems.

I’m sure a couple of our group will grab it to ‘keep up with the Joneses’, but since we don’t play GW tournaments the only reason would be when a random player comes along or if 5th edition fixes things that 3rd and 4th broke.

Nope. I bought the third edition rules ages ago, but there are better games out there that have captured my attention since then and I never upgraded to 4th Ed. (although I like the artwork in the book). Can’t see myself rushing out for this edition either.

No chance. There are far better rules out there, and I only play skirmish games anyway. I might buy some of the miniatures if I like them, but will not collect a “regular” WH40K army.

Where’s the “will download pirated PDF” poll option? :)

I’ll probably play it twice a year, just like I have for the past couple of years. 40k took my tabletop cherry, but I’ve moved on to more interesting fare. I still think it’s a great starter game though! Please GW, keep bringing newbs into this hobby! :)

I’ll probably buy the introduction box, if only for the Ork minis. I haven’t played WH40K yet (and I mean, ever), but have a huge (unpainted) Ork mob that I plan to paint…some day…after finishing my Necromunda collection and after painting my Warmachine armies….so basically by the time GW release their 10th ed. :-P

Pressed unsure thought after trying to write something here I understood I should have pressed No.

Funny thing is I have almost every book from first and second edition most from 3dr some of 4th, from 5th edition I “must” buy the rulebook and the plain marines codex if I ever decide to field my marines, the only army I decided that I will not sell for pure sentimental reasons.

I feel this shows how GW failed to keep me as a dedicated customer and loose a hardcore gamer from their ranks. Honestly I feel the players are putting more effort to like 40k than GW is making to make the game attractive.

“Too late” was the cry.

PS 40K is a skirmish game.

Im very curious to see what changes will happen. That said I am leaning towards getting the rules as Bell of Lost Souls has gotten me to hope for 40k, especially with thier Pre-Heresy rules as I have a pre-Heresy Luna Wolves army sitting on a shelf begging me to paint it.

As soon as I get a couple squads painted up (still working out a color scheme) I also want to try converting them over to No Limits and comparing them - maybe even swapping them over to a derivative of AE-WW2.

All I can say is I love the 40k setting and I hope 5th can un gimp the rules some

I’ll buy it, but only because I need something new to read on the toilet.

The amount of games of 40k I play in a year cannot justify the five dollars I’d need to spend on a new rulebook.

Wait, the rulebook’s $50? Forget it.

I actively played and followed 40k from 2nd-4th editions. I am unsure whether I’ll pick up 5th. Like a few folks here, I’m tired of ‘updating’ my army every time a new rules set (or FAQ, or codex) comes out. I’ve redone my Eldar so many times (though thankfully, I have enough of each type of figure that I’ve rarely had to buy new ones since 3rd ed.) I’ve lost count. If the only ‘game in town’ is 5th ed. 40k, I’ll go for it (though that’s looking less and less likely), but more likely I’ll stick with Warmachine/Hordes, and continue to try to sucker people into playing the Rattrap games, GASLIGHT, and the like.

They’ll be snap-together ones, you can pretty much guarantee it. Easier for beginners, which is always the target market of the starter boxes.

I have little interest in the rules. I’ve not played 40k since the mid-90s and there’s nobody nearby to play with, plus I’m so lacking in discipline I change the army I’m painting every 500 pts or so. However if the orky gubbinz in the starter box is any good I’ll probably pick it up.

No, no and thrice no!

Not a hope in hell, I cannot be bothered with GW’s constant squeeze blood out of stone marketing approach to us the poor gamers!

I will stick with a slightly modded good old Rogue Trader, no codices, no power creep, in fact I am free LOL!

Good luck to all who do though, how old is version 4 by the way?

SW

If I compare 40K with a girlfriend, it’s the one I always broke up for some reason, we get bored with each other, we fight, we didn’t understand ourselves or a new girl appears, but somehow I’ll eventually return to her. I stopped playing 40K in 2001 but Medusa V campaign made me go back… then stopped… I was playing a lot of other things but Apocalypse hooked me in again… and now I realize that I’m missing 2 SM Tactical Squads to have a full Battle Company as pictured in the Apocalypse rulebook, so the starter set sounds like a great deal… with terrible consecuences… as a probable Ork army…

So yes I’m in!!! (’til we broke again… I love my Space Marines so I always keep adding stuff since 2nd Edition…)

Andres

why not “please PP keep bringing noobs into the game”?
Because Hordesmachine is chess, while 40k is checkers. New Hordesmachine players will lose half a dozen games straight before they have a chance at winning (or more if it was their first wargame). A 40k army is way easier to just move forward and shoot. There are far fewer decisions to make.

Don’t get me wrong…I’m not trashing 40k. I’ve been playing it since ‘91. It’s a great starter game and I love the background. It’s just not deep enough for me to play on a regular basis anymore.

Personally, I do not like the whole “page 5″ attitude that PP brings to the table. If that is going to be the hook that brings new blood into the world of hobby gaming, then I am truly scared of what the future holds!
Having been a gamer for over 20 years of my life, I cannot stand the “play like you gotta pair” mentality for someone just getting into the games. I think it teaches new players that winning comes before sportsmanship and enjoyment. Just my opinion, and this is probably not the place to be discussing it

No for me. I’ve never played 40k and don’t see any reason to start now.

What perplexes me is how little new product actually comes out of GW every year. They’re become a lot like an american auto manufacturer in a lot of ways. Struggling to put out new product, bring in new customers, and keep old, all while facing a rapidly improving and dynamic competition.

I guess I will, just to justify the massive amount of money I have in the game (which is often the reason why GW players dont play other games)

and the latest rumors are worse, “model must have two powerfists or a powerfist and a thunder hummer to gain +1A” and I thought GW had reached its full potency in making players buy more models……

I’d have no problem if it was infantry rather than troops. But the force org chart is so arbitrary. It just doesn’t make sense that a tactical squad from the 2nd through 10 companies (those that form tactical squads anyway) can hold an objective, but if it’s their best of the best, their elite 1st company, suddenly the squad can’t hold anything because of some ridiculous rule. A squad of 9 tyranid warriors, synapse creatures, can’t hold terrain for the hive mind, but a bunch of termigants can?

It’s just so completely arbitrary it makes no sense.

I shouldn’t really have higher expectations though when it comes to GW. They’re not a game design company. They’re a model selling company. The purpose of their games is not necessarily to be a good game but to be a good sales tool.

As much as I love 40k’s imagery and background, more and more I’m finding I have no interest in GW’s sales tools that they pass of as game rules, codex updates, new editions, etc.,.

Will I be picking up a copy to play the game? I voted no. Will I wait until a bunch of the boxes are broken up and being sold off on eBay to get a bunch of cool models for cheap to use with better rules?

Definitely.

Yeah. When I said that, I mean it pejoratively.

What I was getting at is that I want the design goals of a game to be to produce a great game. I don’t want sales or marketing issues to impact game design in the things I play. At the very least, it should be nigh undetectable to the player.

I have this idea that games should be sold and marketed on their merits as games rather than be a sales and marketing tool in of themselves.