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  • An interesting few weeks for the Mongoose

    Editorial

    The adage says “Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes”. And I have to say that there is no way that I would have wanted to be in Matt Sprange’s shoes for the last few weeks. Mongoose Publishing has been heavily promoting their new miniature game Battlefield Evolution and the prepainted miniatures that the game uses. It turns out that the images they have posted on their site for the last few months weren’t the same quality as the shipping models.

    Update: Unfortunately the images used in this article were removed from Imageshack.

    You don’t really need to look at the photos too hard to determine that they are not even close to the quality of the miniatures that Mongoose has been using to promote the game for the last few months. Reaction to the images was to be expected as fans on the Mongoose Forums, and elsewhere, wondered what the hell happened. Matt Sprange then posted a genuinely shocked response to the models on the Mongoose Forum

    There is certainly an error somewhere here, and I have already spent much of the morning trying to track it down. I hope to be able to give you all a full accounting of what has happened, and our planned resolution, as soon as possible. Speaking personally, I don’t intend for these models to go on sale

    The problem is, of course, that the models had almost certainly already shipped and there wasn’t really anything Matt or Mongoose could do about it. And Matt’s “I don’t intend for these models to go on sale” comment spent the better part of a week and a half haunting him.

    After some work Matt then posted a full response to the issue on their Forum. A response that was quite more prepared than his original comment.

    Now there are several ways to view this issue and the simplest, and most common on the web, is that Mongoose Publishing is just trying to pull a fast one on their customers. I think that this is not the case. If you are familiar with the history of the creation and development of modern painted plastic miniatures you will be aware of more than a few similar cases happening for other companies that sell these types of figures. My guess is that Mongoose was given samples that did not represent either the plastic moulding quality or the painting quality of the final product and that no one at Mongoose checked to make sure that the final product matched the samples.

    Mongoose has already offered to refund any preorders people made with them but its difficult to see how the range can be rescued now. And its not difficult to understand why Matt and Mongoose are now praising miniatures that Matt originally said he didn’t intend to sell. He doesn’t really have much of a choice. The first wave of product was shipped when this issue developed and Mongoose has to promote the produce if only because they have a ton of it in channels now and need to sell it.

    How much of that they need to sell is an interesting question though. Mongoose recently posted a top 20 list of their most popular products of 2006. What is interesting to note is that there is only a single miniature release in that list. There are three Starship Trooper army books but only one Starship Troopers miniature release. The rest of the top 20 list is predominantly RPG products. So while we might view Mongoose as a wargames and miniatures company the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of its sales and funds are in creating and selling RPG products. To put this into perspective, Matt Sprange often talks about the popularity of the Babylon 5: A Call to Arms miniature game and yet that game is only #15 on their list.

    None of which changes the fact that I wouldn’t have wanted to trade places with Matt Sprange even if Battlefield Evolution isn’t as important a factor in his companies sales as we wargames might think it is.

    12 Responses to “An interesting few weeks for the Mongoose”


    Stu says:

    I hate to think how much goodwill they’ve burned in this exercise and they’ll price reductions on this line in the future I suspect (if they haven’t already done so).


    Zac says:

    I’d be quite surprised if the next round of minis had any price reductions at all. They need to pay for someone to go to China to check the process of the minis now I would expect.

    Its interesting to see how different this entire process has been for rackham.


    evernevermore says:

    Ouch - I’d hate to be in that guys shoes as the people above him go “wtf!” and the fans below go “WTF!”


    Zac says:

    I think Matt may indeed be at the top of the company but it still doesn’t make it easier to deal with :-)


    Grant says:

    When I saw the originals I did think the painting was almost too good to be true, I wouldn’t be able to improve on it at all so I was curious how they could pull it off so well at that price point.

    That said, the quality of the shipping models appears to be much lower than I thought would be reasonable (I was expecting somewhere in between the two) and it appears Mongoose have been the victim in this.

    I admire the fact the company have tried to push in a new direction to see what is possible and what will sell and I hope Zac is right and they didn’t bet the farm on this venture.


    Col_Stone says:

    Matt said on their forum when asked how they came up with the list
    *
    It is based on individual product codes and on unit sales only. For example, if we collated all CTA ship sales into one heading, they would be at the top and miles ahead of anything else. If we had included BF Evo (which have yet to officially go on sale), they would already be in the top ten with pre-orders.
    *
    I don’t believe they’re trying to pull a fast one on their customers either..


    steeldragon says:

    It’s my idea or they changed the bases too???

    Maybe something happened with the scale too…

    Hope everything goes good for Mongoose… but their miniatures products haven’t been able to hook me up. I was all overexcited about the B5 28mm miniatures and they were not as nice as I hoped, I thought I could fall on the small scale with the tank thing for B5 and nothing happened with the game… Starship Troopers presents two or three highlights (to me) and nothing more, with the added difficculty of pulling out of somewhere more armies to make the game more appealing…

    Hope Mongoose finnally gets better minis… it seems they have their act together producing games, but minis… there is a long way to go.

    Andres


    Zac says:

    Matt said on their forum when asked how they came up with the list

    It might be interesting to see their sales by category as well. If you did BF Evo and CTA as categories and then compared them to each of the RPG categories to gauge the sales.


    tuco says:

    Well I roleplay as well as wargame and I’ve given Mongoose a lot of money so that I might boast a complete library of their Conan books. It is in my opinion the best version of the D20 rules I’ve played and the quality of the books is on a level equal to some of the largest RPG companies.

    That being said, I’ve never been terribly tempted by any of their minis games. That is for a couple of reasons. The first and foremost of which is that they are based mostly on existing properties which don’t interest me. B5 and Starship Troopers aren’t that interesting to me, sorry to say. The second reason is that my LGS doesn’t carry any Mongoose minis or minis garmes. Sure I could seek them out online easily enough, but then I’ve got no one to play with in the area. Over the last year or so Mongoose has been releasing little bits here and there about Age of Conan, a Hyborian Age wargame supposedly in development which I would be all over like stink on a monkey, but apparently they have been too busy working on Battlefield and Rune Quest.

    It seems often that the most vocal amongst tabletop gamers view the companies who produce their beloved hobbies as evil mega-corporations out to screw their customer base to make more money. The reality is that for the most part even the larger companies have a payroll of less than a hundred people, many of whom could be working elsewhere for greater compensation, but remain in this business because they love the games. In addition to this, from what I understand prepainted minis often are not even produced on the same continent as the company selling the game, so quality control is always a problem. At this point, I’m willing to give Mongoose, as well as Matt Sprange, the benefit of the doubt. Sure someone dropped the ball, but I’m going with inadvertantly at this point rather than deliberately.


    gavroche says:

    Regardless of what happened here - and I don’t think it’s a case of the Evil Empire trying a bait & switch routine on the poor gamers - this will cost Mongoose. But this production screw up isn’t their only or even biggest problem. That still is the quality of the design concepts and mastersculpts. Most of those are average at best, with some exceptions. Certainly if you compare them with what is produced by Rackham, Privateer or GW. Add to this the general lack of direction & creativity Tuco mentions & you can see them going nowhere fast.

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    Zac says:

    Lets try to make the language family friendly please. I don’t want to have people get the site blocked by workplace filters due to profanity in the comments sections

    Thanks


    Paladin says:

    Steeldragon: With regard to the bases, they were actually lowered due to fan demand and input from their forums.

    The beginnings of Wave 2 are showing up. The quality is a definite step up:
    http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24602&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=


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